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Work vs Leisure

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' at netrider.net.au started by hornet, Jul 9, 2005.

  1. How many people use their bike(s) for necessity, work or commuting, and how many bought their bike(s) purely for recreation?
    What governed the choice in both cases?
    Given how expensive a new bike is these days, and how cheaply you can get into a basic car, there doesn't seem to be the economic argument for buying a bike instead of a car, so I was just wondering.

  2. Both pleasure and pain ol' boy

    Pleasure, cos I had bikes years ago and (weather permitting) will go for a ride one day on as many weekends as possible.

    Pain, as I use it to commute to work. rain, hail or shine.

    I don't have a new bike, but once you've bought the gear, which crashing apart, should last a fair while, the bike still is cheaper by far for comuting.

    It's around $2.50 a day, incl of fuel, insurance and rego, free parking (secure under cover at my work, normally costs $1,200 pa) I haven't inc maintenance or tyres in that, as I haven't had it a year to work it out, even if it doubles the cost per day, it'll still be half the cost of using the bus.

    The Bus is $6.50 ONE way trip and isn't reliable (schedule, or mechanically) doesn't have enough scheduled trips, and drops me miles from my work (although close to home) the cost drops to around $5.00 a one way trip if you buy a "bulk" 10 or 20 trip ticket, and use them all within a month, still $10 a day, plus very inconvenient, the 15-20 minute bike trip takes 50 minutes at least on bus.

    Car, if I used it myself just for work is the same cost as the bus if you include rego, ins, maint (inc tyres), more if you inc a carpark. But thats academic, as the wife needs it.

    So I bought it for the economics and convenience, got a huge bonus when I remembered how much I enjoyed riding, even in a Hoabrt winter I still enjoy it) I've gained a heap more friends thru the biking comunity, that's a benefit you cannot put any monetary value on.

    Good post Hornet.

  3. Both . Regardless of the weather or if im going to work i look forward to riding . I bought the bird with Rhonda in mind because she hated the zx9 ninja on her butt , so went the sports tourer . Now that she wants to start a family im thinking of going back to a straight sports . Yea for me :D But yea , i ride it everywhere anytime .
  4. Calculate the cost of doing something else for fun - lets say golf (just guessing here - $20 for 2 hours on the golf course - so "golf fun" costs $10 per hour) and then use that figure to work out the comparison for "bike fun" - what does an hour of "bike fun" cost. (Matt and Marty, don't answer. Your bike fun costs way too much) Well, an hour's riding is about 100km (any more and your "fun costs" go up dramatically, and your licence points go down) at (see below) 18c per km = $18.00. So "bike fun" is more expensive than "golf fun".

    But here we need to look at "opportunity costs". If I was commuting to work by car, it would be lost time because gridlock isn't fun. Can I make that time into something of more value?

    The cost of golfing your way to work (if you could do it) would be less than the cost of riding, and both are fun. But let's face it - few people have a golf course leading to the their workplace, so the time it takes to get to work golfing is infinitely high and that means the cost is infinitely high. In "fun" terms, riding to work is cheaper than golfing to work.

    Now driving to work in gridlock is NO fun. Remember that each time you commute to work by bike, you're having "bike fun" in time that would otherwise be no fun (unless you can golf your way to the office) so you're already ahead every time you commute!

    Now to the economics...

    I live 10km from the CBD, 8Km from my office and my home and office are each under 1km from a major (untolled) freeway. Travel to work by car takes around 20mins in peak hour, 10 on the bike. So (lets say 75% of work days = 200 days I use the bike (as I take the car in heavy rain) - there's an extra 66 hours a year to have breakfast or relax with the paper (or get some excercise...maybe)

    The bike cost $2250 and running costs (fuel, reg, insurance, maintenence) come in at ~$1750 per year. It travels about 12000km per year. So, assuming that it depreciates to $0 over 5 years, it costs me (1750x5+2250)/12000x5= 18c per kilometer. (A perceived value issue here - I enjoy working on the bike so i don't count time fixing/redesigning/fabricating parts as a cost, but I have allowed for consumables like oil, filters and tyres and some specialist work - pressing up a crank, for example.).

    The car cost $28,000 and gets used on weekends plus the remaining 25% of workdays (about 15,000k a year) and costs about $3200pa (fuel, services, insurance & reg). Over the same period of depreciation (give that Deawoo Australia is now gone) the cost of running the car is (3200x5+28000)/15000x5= 58c per km.

    So, to replace the bike's milage with the car would cost (12000x58)-(12000x18)=$4800, or $960 a year. And that's why I use the bike at every opportunity.

    Now, as I work in the city quite a bike, we haven't included parking ($25 per week if I take the car - lets assume that its raining 25% of the time, so thats 48 weeks x .75 x $25 = $900pa, which is tax deductible, so its a cashflow expense rather than an outright debit. Still, its money in my pocket earning interest rather than in the City of Melbourne's coffers until tax time.
  5. coz the missus would kill me if I bought both! Some days I downright hate commuting on the bike (you can't sleep in it if your pissed) but on the whole it wins handsdown over a car.

    I'll catch the bus/train if i'm getting on it after work but as JJ said the bike is heaps cheaper and more reliable than public transport.

    Mind you I could have bought a done up Nissan SSS and I could be posting over at NissanRicerBoys.com :)
  6. Mark,

    I like your theory. Pitty that golf is so F#!@#$g Boring!

    I got mine for fun, and it gets used as much as I can for work, have parking supplied as part of my package, so I don't have to worry about parking. But $$ wise, bike is much better :)

    .... and more fun!

  7. And golf needs transport to get to the club, so you get a cost addition, whereas bikes ARE the transport AND the fun... so either bike fun is free, or the transport is free.

    golf enjoyment costs (as there are currently no "golfways" leading anywhere) Bike enjoyment is free.

    Busses suck big time, cars, while they have some "fun" factor are nowhere near as fun as bikes.

    Golf also sucks, waste of a perfectly good space to build a nice motorbike track :D

  8. I got my bike for fun and justified the expense by commuting to work on it. I do 75km each way to work so end up saving a fair bit on fuel costs.

    Probably the biggest benefit of the bike is that it keeps me sane (ish).

    After spending 1-1/2 hrs driving the car home I'm road rage waiting to happen :evil:
    I'm also exhausted by the time i get home.

    After spending 45 minutes riding home I'm generally still pretty good and if for some reason I have cracked the shits (cars trying to kill me generally does it) a quick sprint to the top of Mountain Hwy and back douses the flames nicely and helps me forgive and forget. 8)

    You can't put a price on that.
  9. Bought the bike as a daily user, only way to justify the cost, had to be a 250 as I made a promise to my partner that I would do it legal. Narre Warren to Wantirna daily, 25 km via Lysterfield Rd or the Monash, but coming home in good weather, Wantirna - Belgrave - Emerald - Cockatoo - Gembrook - Pakenham - Narre, all up around 60km of mostly fun roads. Average around 550km per month.
  10. Hey Nobby can you check you PM's. I sent you a PM May 9th and you still haven't even LOOKED at it as it's still in my outbox. LOL

    Josh 8)
  11. I ride for fun. Trying to keep up the currency in riding skills.
    When I last checked I was doing between 10-15000km p.a. on the bike and between 3-5000km p.ap in the car. :)
  12. Bought for recreation, using for work and recreation (well will be, once it's fixed). Typically riding 6 or 7 days a week, and always lovin it. :D
  13. I bought mine for fun, now I commute on it as well - no matter what the weather.

    Not only is it cheaper than taking the train, it takes me door to door and I get to the journey's end alert and in a good mood.

    Hanging around a freezing cold station listening to the latest excuse for my train's non-appearance does NOT put me in a good mood!
  14. I've always regarded my bike as primarily for pleasure with the added benefit of being a cheap form of transport thrown in.

    All of the reasons quoted above why a bike is better than a car apply.
  15. my bike has to do everything... work, leisure and hobby

    makes it kinda hard to choose a bike.. has to be comfy enough for both slow traffic
    and long rides, but sporty enough for fun :)
  16. For fun and sometimes driving to work in the city - free car parking and gridlock makes the bike a lot cheaper and faster than car or even the train!

    If the weather turns to shit then it's the train.... both not enjoyable and cage drivers are mad in the rain!
  17. and, linking to my post about the BIKE article, for those of you who have to use the bike for everything, torque is surely more important than power????
    The Hornet is just for fun, I have the great privilege of having a company car so I don't have any costs associated with work transport.
  18. I justified buying the bike by telling myself it would be cheaper. And to a large extent it has been. (It would have been even cheaper if I hadn't kept the car, though!)
    I did a short commute to the city for several years, and in that time the bike won hands down on cost (mostly because of parking). Now doing a much longer journey to an outer location, and I'm surprised to find that although still cheaper than car, it's not by that much any more. Parking is free either way now, but tyres and service eat into the fuel/depreciation advantage of the bike.
    I'm now required to drive the car to work half the time, so it's becoming more of a leisure thing.
  19. Yeah, if you have to be at work in good clothes or a suit, the drama of carrying, changing, changing again, etc, takes a lot of the gloss out of the ride, I would imagine.