From reading the rider down post I see a lot of riders come down because of gravel over the road, usually on a bend. Now I am not disputing the fact. I was wandering what are some of the other ways riders have gone down in this forum? Was it speed, other cars or road users? Lack of riding skill? Inclement weather? Poor roads or road marking and lighting. Personal for example squidding hooning around doing something silly? Do you have an opinion that accident are predominantly other people and factors fault or your own? I once read that motorcycle accidents are always your fault.