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Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by Mouth, Sep 18, 2014.
Queue the apple fanboys........
Linux + Android for me as always......
You are a provocative coot Jason
Yeah...people have been lining up for a few days now, from what I've heard.
I'm glad I've got a android phone.
Apple, the Harleys of the computer world. Overpriced pieces of shit that cost a fortune to repair and are half as fun as other things. Except every idiot with one thinks they're the best.
NFC payments from phones are more than a decade old...
can you use them as OPAL/MYKI/etc cards yet?
Does the iPhone 6 have acceptable usb audio support yet?
Converted to Android, then when back to apple for a look 2 years ago and just as quickly back to Android.
I saw that kid in the iPhone queue I'm sure it was him, they had sold out and weren't getting more stock for 5 minutes.
I just can't believe how many people spend so much of their time arguing over phone specs.
Seriously, who gives a shit, get a life....
+ Mods who don't ride.....
I currently use: OS X Yosemite (MB Pro), iOS 8 (iPad Mini), Android KitKat (Nexus 5), Windows 8.1 (beige desktop). They help me scratch a living. They all do pretty much the same things, though, being a human, I do have my preferences (I listed them in order). They are some of the least interesting or significant things in my life.
Agreed - more to life....
I do however love to point people in the direction of the three part documentary "Triumph of the Nerds"
Bring the apple enthusiasts back to Earth
I'm getting both for work. Iphone 6 and the Iphone 6 plus. Personally, I'm not upgrading my Iphone 5, it still makes phone calls and Apple are no longer innovative.
The fact that you've spent any of your life bringing any kind of phone enthusiasts "back to earth" saddens me.
Next time you feel the need to squander your life on such a frivolous activity I want you to stop and go for a ride.
Apart from anything else, have you seen the tards that line up for phones? I have, a massive line of them yesterday all sitting in the rain in the middle of Rundle mall. Believe me, these guys don't need any bringing down, they're already pretty close to the bottom.....
Now this is funny..
Read this on Life hacker and found it to be an interesting read.
The Original article can be found at: http://lifehacker.com/why-we-need-a...rce=lifehacker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Why We Need Apple
It's no secret that I'm an Android guy. I worked for two years at an Android-focused site and I own multiple devices with "Nexus" in the name. Still, I couldn't be happier about Apple's announcements yesterday. Why? Because what Apple does affects us all.
There's a tendency in the tech world–and especially as it relates to mobile OSes–to believe that the tech giants operate independently of each other. Apple makes its products, Google makes its operating system, and any overlap is copying at best, and theft at worst. This view fails to take into account a lot of the complexity of how tech operates.
Apple Has the Scale to Reach Millions of Users
Perhaps the biggest reason that Apple matters is its distribution scale. Apple isn't the only one who puts good ideas into their products. But making a good phone doesn't matter much if you can't put it into the hands of the people who want it. Some features (like NFC payments) only really catch on if a lot of people are using them. And Apple is one of the few who can put phones in a lot of hands.
When Apple launched the iPhone 5s last year, it launched initially in 11 countries, reaching a total of 50 by November 1st. This is possible due to the massive infrastructure that Apple has devoted to its one product line. By some reports, Foxconn–one of Apple's biggest suppliers–is able to crank out 500k iPhones per day. That's a 24-hour work cycle (and bogged down with human rights violations problems, not that this is unique to Foxconn or Apple), but for context, at that capacity, Apple could make 45 million iPhones in 90 days. One quarter.
Compare this to a recent up-and-comer: Motorola. After Google purchased Motorola, it made a huge, sweeping overhaul to its management team and cranked out a product that, while not impressing spec geeks, was still more than good enough for most people. Allegedly, it sold 500,000 in 90 days. Even if those sales numbers are inaccurate, though, Motorola itself claimed its Texas facility–home of the customized Motomaker handsets–could only make 100,000 handsets per week. For context, over a 90 day period, that would be roughly 1.28 million units. That's still about 43.72 million units behind Apple. Motorola pioneered customizable hardware which could have shaken up the mobile industry, but because it couldn't deliver that to more than one country (or carrier) at launch, almost no one noticed.
Samsung is the closest non-Apple products have to the same scale. In Q2 2013, Samsung pushed 71 million smartphones, compared to Apple's 31.2 million over the same time frame. Not all of those are flagships, but the fact remains Samsung could make them. This is the only Android manufacturer that can compete in this arena.
To push a new type of consumer tech, you need consumers to actually use it. Unlike fan favorites such as HTC or Motorola, if Apple wants to make a device popular, it has the means to do so. Retailers need a reason to upgrade their systems to support NFC payments. Apple can give them 45 million new reasons every quarter. No matter how much their fans like them, HTC and Motorola can't do that.
Apple Has the Cool Factor to Gain Mindshare
Whether you call it high quality hardware or a reality distortion field, the fact is that Apple makes products that many people really love. Not everyone. But enough. Enough people, at the very least, to nudge consumer mindshare into a direction Apple chooses. Like wearing a computer on your wrist.
We saw this happen to a certain extent with voice commands. Despite Google Now being just as good (and sometimes better) than Siri, the latter is the one that became a brand unto itself. Voice command jokes maybe be useless (personally I don't care much one way or the other for them), but they give what is otherwise just a smartphone feature personality. Put another way, no one's asking whether or not some day we will have meaningful relationships with Google Now.
I've been asked a few times why I swear by Google Now/Android instead of Siri/Apple
Does this mean Apple is the only one making cool features? Of course not. But fashion matters in tech. Arguably, Google Glass's biggest failure isn't the tech (a transparent display? Cool!), or its practicality (just ask a special needs therapist), or even its oddly invasive camera (if someone really wanted to, they can record you much more easily). It's that Glass simply looks silly. Maybe that shouldn't be the case. Maybe glasses are normal and so Glass should be, too. Maybe cameras are everywhere so people shouldn't be so scared of this one. But when you attach a bright orange camera to someone's eyeball, it puts people off. Coolness matters and, at least for right now, Apple is still cool.
Wearables are another big area where coolness is going to matter. Smartwatches have been around since before the Pebble, but they still have the perception of being silly. There are no guarantees in tech, but Apple may just be able to make the smartwatch cool. The category certainly needs the push, and after yesterday's announcement, it might have gotten it. Not only will it become more socially acceptable to wear them, but we Android users will probably have more (good) models to choose from if it catches on.
Apple's monopoly on cool isn't totally absolute, of course. Google's software design has arguably become much, much cooler in recent years. Bigger phones have become cool enough for Apple to follow suit. But Apple does still have a lot of cool collateral in its coffers. More importantly, as stated before, it has the manufacturing capacity to back it up. Quite frankly, despite pushing the same number of units, Samsung doesn't have the same fashionable factor. This puts Apple in a unique position. Particularly in terms of appealing to a key, influential demographic.
Apple Has a Wealthier Target Demographic
Arguments about the Apple Tax are stale, bordering on outright false. Apple products aren't necessarily overpriced. They're just expensive. The same quality laptop from a different manufacturer might cost you the same.
The Apple Tax is a popular term for people who believe Macs are overpriced.
The difference with Apple is that "expensive" is the only price point they reach. There's no budget iPad for $200. The cheapest Mac you can get is $600 and you still need to buy a monitor and peripherals. The lowest price for a laptop is $900. And the new Apple Watch costs $350, which is nearly twice the cost of some of the early Android Wear devices. For any other company, this would be suicide. In fact, for Samsung's $300 smartwatch, it sort of was.
There's nothing inherently wrong with this approach, but it means that Apple necessarily excludes poorer demographics (and countries). To wit: the Moto G sold gangbusters in foreign markets where a $600 phone is prohibitively expensive. In fact, arguably Android was only able to get to where it is today because it's able to cater to more than one price point or type of market.
With exclusionary prices, though, comes status symbols. And status symbols, by their nature, are more often owned by the wealthy. Money shouldn't necessarily buy influence, but it often does. Businesses with cash to spend will invest in technology they think is worthwhile. Countries with more money to spend will determine what devices become popular (which is why the US and China are important first-launch markets, while Haiti doesn't come up too often in conversations about mass market appeal). It's callous, it's insensitive, it marginalizes some groups, and it's true. People who sell things need to find people with money to buy things in order to survive. And Apple, by its very nature, appeals to people and businesses with more money.
Put another way: from Apple's perspective, being a status symbol isn't just about being cool. It's about being able to dictate market trends.
Google has the clout to get retailers like BP or Subway to supports its payment network. It didn't have the ability to get retailers like Target involved. Yesterday, Apple announced that Target would be accepting Apple Pay on its website. This isn't because of NFC iPhones (you don't need special hardware for the website) and it's not because of the cool factor (who wants to sign up for a new payments system?), so it has to be something else.
To claim that Apple got Target on board solely because of the price of its products is overly reductive. But Apple moves a lot of money around. It's not the only company that makes money, but dollar for dollar, Apple customers tend to be worth a bit more on average. This trend can and does shift, but for the moment, if Apple wants the attention of someone with an interest in making money, they're more likely to get it than Google might.
We've been waiting for mobile payments to get overhauled for a long time. Credit card thefts seem to be a dime a dozen, with changes to security coming slowly if they come at all (the US still doesn't use the chip and pin system that's become prevalent in Europe). Mastercard, Google, and cell carriers have all tried to convince merchants to step up their game. The Apple following–regardless of what you might think of it–may be just the nudge we finally need.
Competition Matters, and Apple Is the Biggest We've Got
None of these factors are exclusive to Apple. However, the just-right combination is pretty rare. This means that, even if you don't use a single Apple product, the company probably has some influence over the technology that you use. Android Wear, as an example, might be an excellent product. But without a company like Apple to make wearables fashionable, it's not entirely certain if they would catch on. They've certainly struggled so far.
Not to mention, there's little other competition. Without Apple, the entire Android world might get overrun by Samsung (and arguably already has). Without Apple, there's almost nothing competing with Windows. Without Apple, the "who's better than who" fires die out almost entirely. Even if you hate Apple, that rivalry drives us to do more. As the fake Steve Jobs in Pirates of Silicon Valley said, "People need a cause."
That type of competition will always drive companies to out-do and borrow from one another. It's possible that Android wouldn't have worked on Project Butter if not for Apple's smoothness, in the same way that Apple might not have made its own notification shade following Android's lead. One lends itself to the other. It's the circle of competition, and we all benefit.
Of course, no one's saying Apple's the only one that drives competition or the only one who comes up with ideas. But it does popularize many of them. No one's giving credit solely to Apple for inventing all technology (or at least not reasonably so). Just because Apple prefers a walled-garden approach to tech, though, doesn't mean it actually lives in one.
Is the iPhone air or water cooled? It's important for the HD demographic.