I've just searched for "apex" and only found one post that includes that word - fairly amazing. Does that mean there have been no threads specifically relating to cornering as opposed to counter steering? If you've never been round a particular corner how do you know where the apex is? My thinking suggests that it is placed in relation to the exit of the corner. I think it appears when the rider can see that the corner ends. I think it is the point on a tangent to the corner that joins the rider, the inside of the corner and the end of the corner in a straight line. To keep matters simple I'm thinking of a constant radius curve joing two straight lines. At that point where the rider is when s/he sees the end of the corner is where the rider starts to turn harder. Would this be the "turning" point? Sounds logical. I could do a course and I will but I like to learn about the material that is to be presented and then pick up the finer points on the course. Can someone who knows put something together, please.