Your following behind a rider and lane splitting stationery cars to a red traffic light (or get to the red traffic light and there's already another rider there) .... and the bastard/biatch sits (or is sitting) between the cars in line with front bumper. No attempt to occassionally look behind for another rider, and/or no attempt to move either forward or forward and to one side, so that another rider can get in front of the cars too. They just make you sit a car length back like they own the entire intersection. Rant over .. I feel better now :grin: And no, there's generally no reason they can't move forward some more (eg. pedestrians crossing etc.). Hrrmmppffff!