So after 3 and a bit years on a Vespa, and with an insurance payout coming my way next week (who'd a thunk getting rear-ended at a roundabout could be good news?) I'm pulling the trigger on a proper bike. I'm looking at a classic naked upright style. I'll be commuting on it but luckily going against the flow of the majority of traffic each day. I'll also be doing a lot of 2-300km rides to blow off steam (eg McCarrs Creek/Galston runs), and hope to do some decent distance touring a bit later in the year, once I'm satisfied I've got my skills up from a scoot to a bike. My riding level is decent, I feel, given my experiences on the Vespa. Counter steering and weight adjustment, braking and tip in points, no break cornering etc are all things I'm comfortable with, just need to get my head around the clutch and friction points, and retrain my braking habits from scoot to bike. The two bikes that are of immediate appeal to me are listed in the title. I don't want an Italian bike, partly because of $, partly because I need something that won't have too much character many reliability problems. Royal Enfield is out for similar reasons (and being a little underpowered from what I've read). Very occassional pillioning, but also need rack space for touring. Out and out performance is not an issue, otherwise I'd be getting a Striple. Scrambler is out because of pipe positioning and concerns that downlow torque hampers upper end for touring purposes, T100 is overpriced IMO, and Thruxton is out because of riding position and price. Budget, no more than the old Bonnie SE, so $13-14k max. I expect to take a bit of time to settle in to the ride, then start customising as seems appropriate, be that seat, risers, suspension or so on. Any info on insurance and general running costs would also be helpful. My netfu has yielded a lot of reviews but little along these lines. Have searched this forum already, know that MattB loves his Kawasaki, still don't quite get how the differences in the two bikes translate to twisties, as I'm seeing a lot that suggests the Bonnie may be slightly better in that department, especially with the mods available, but if anyone with a modded W800 has different experiences, would love to know the details. Thanks in advance for any replies. I'm very excited about this, but not to the point where I'm going to let me head rule my heart, or let my heart rule my head - I want to satisfy both as best I can.