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VTR250 V Spada ?

Discussion in 'Bike Reviews, Questions and Suggestions' at netrider.net.au started by I'm Simon, Sep 8, 2006.

  1. Hi all,

    I am new here and in the bike market (1st bike), I think I have narrowed my decision down to the either the VTR250 or the Spada. Chances are the bike will be dropped sooner or later so I tend to think that the naked bikes are better when starting out.

    Anyhoo, I am 182cm tall and 89 - 92kg's depending on what day of the week it is :LOL: the bike will be ridden primarily for weekend joy riding and not for commuting, but I want something that will cruise at a reasonable pace.

    Would be interested in the pros and cons of each bike and to hear from anyone that rides either or both of these bikes. Maybe there is another bike that I should consider?

    Thanks in advance - Simon
  2. I have a Spada and am loving it. I'm 173 cm and about your weight, and after a while, particularly on hills, it'd be nice to have a bit more power, but it certainly has plenty for anything I realistically need to do (and enough to get me in trouble!) (And if the comparison is with the VTR the power will be similar.) It's also run like clockwork without a hickup since I got it.

    I personally prefer the 'big slabs o' aluminium' look of the Spada to the 'ladder' look of the VTR, but that's a taste thing. The Spada has 6 gears and the VTR 5, and obviously the Spadas were all made in 1989, so if you'd prefer something newer the VTR is the go (don't believe anyone who claims to be selling a 2005 Spada - that's just the import/compliance date).

    I do find the rear suspension a bit wallowy at my weight, and plan to get the preload increased a bit next service, and you may have the same issue, but that's easily fixed.

    Bottom line, either bike is going to give you that V-twin power/torque across the range, be tractable, fun, handle well and be reliable.
  3. well ive had my spada for a week and I'm loving it!!

    i had a look att he VTR but found it a bit tall for me. I'm about 5'8".. whatever that translates to.

    the 6 gears are goos witht he fional gear giving a decent amount of cruising power but hils require a downshift.

    the ohter thing to remember is the Spada's are going to be much cheaper than the VTR's. Get a good one and you'll be laughing
  4. Flip a coin.... if you don't know what you're looking for a VTR might be safer because they're newer and all official imports. On the other hand, the Spada does look great for the reasons Bravus said, and they are not Ducati Monster wannabes.

    They are, of course, practically the same bike technically speaking.
  5. I've ridden both. Owned my own Spada for the duration of my restricted licence period, and a good mate had a VTR. We played swapsies now and then, and depsite me having VTR envy initially I honestly preferred the spada. The riding position is more leaned over and therefore more aggressive, and the 6th gear is a good thing.

    Much of a muchness in many respects, but the riding position alone was enough to make me appreciate my own bike.

    Also, the CASTEC frame is bullet proof. And you'll pay a lot less for a decent spada than you would a VTR.
  6. The VTR is newer which is about the only reason to go for it. While most Spadas are grey imports, it was imported so spares are available through Honda dealers (as much as any Japanese company carries spares for anything more than a few years old)

    Honda stopped making the Spada because they couldn't sell it for what it was worth. It cost nearly as muct to make as the larger bikes so they cut costs and went to the VTR. Cheaper frame (not that nice box alloy) and 5 speed gearbox. In the long term a good Spada will hold its value better than most 250's.

    The only real fault with the imports is the instrument needles. They can be affected by the stronger UV light here and go brittle and break. They can be glued up and I believe you can get them replaced if you take them to a specialist instrument fitter (relatively cheaply). The instruments are difficult to get from a wreckers as Spadas are generally only scrapped after a crash and that's what gets broken. Looked after they are extremely reliable little bikes.
  7. Drew - is that the blue Spada that was advertised on here in the classifieds ? If so, you have got yourself a very nice looking bike.
  8. The Spada and the VTR both have their pros and cons as others have pointed out - either one is going to be fine as a first bike. As an alternative maybe have a look at a Suzuki Bandit, which is slightly larger than the VTR/Spada and being a 4-cylinder has more power and torque (but needs to be revved harder). Grey import versions are usually about the same price as a Spada (but newer), official imports are usually less than a VTR (but were only sold here in '99 and 2000).
  9. I own a Spada. I think it's excellent. For value of money, I think Spada is the way to go. Never rode a VTR250. I could not afford one. The money I saved went into good quality gear. I also have money left over for private lessons if required. My Spada is the same colour as Drew's Spada. I put a StainTune muffler pipe on it. It is actually a modified VTR250 muffler pipe. I have been riding it for 3 days so far.
  10. If you want to ride a Ducati Monster wannabe, go for the VTR.
  11. i chose the VTR over the spada cause they are newer, have a steel fame, and because i could find alot more material on them. the spada has an extra gear as mentioned and has 4hp over the VTR. i also wanted a bike with less than 15,000km on it, which was hard to find on a spada when i was looking. the VTRs are supposably more reliable. but im always looking for that extra gear on the freeway, especially since i went up 7 teeth on the rear sprocket. i always look at the spada and want to have a go, and for what you are after, a weekender not a commuter, id probably go the spada.
  12. Spada, spada, spada.

    Apart form being older, I don't think there's anything that the VTR can claim is better than the Spada. Unles you're mental and actually like the tubular steel over the aluminium. And don't worry about the age of the Spadas, they're Honda, bulletproof.
    Save your money, buy the Spada...
  13. they are both good bikes - but for me it was the vtr and wouldn't go the other way at all. yes the spada has 6 speed, but me being about the same height (185cm) and weight (93kg) as you, i jumped on the spada and felt as if my knees were up around my ears, just too damn small. the vtr was heaps more comfy, knees fitted the tank nice, power was there (but as with most 250's lacks top end speed) but still a great bike. i still enjoy riding it - i jump on it now after riding the gs500 and throw it around like riding a bmx. it is great fun!!
  14. the spada has 2 springs per valve to deal with the extra revs (over the VTR) but I've also read that spadas have valve chain problems due to the tension the spring loading places on the valve train be it rare cases.
  15. Yep that was it... now with added scratches :(... not on the paint though.. just the exhaust, mirror and brake lever.
  16. Steel has it's advantages, for one thing it's much easier to repair than alloy. Steel can also be subjected to repeated loading/unloading without fatiguing provided the forces are low enough. Non-ferrous alloys however will always fail eventually, no matter how small the applied load is. And since according to Honda both the VTR and Spada weigh exactly the same, the only real only advantage to using alloy would be greater chassis stiffness. Interestingly was looking at the Honda Japan website the other day and found they had timelines of various bikes including the VT series - according to that the Spada evolved from the VTZ and into the Xelvis. The VTR is considered to be a completely seperate bike and for a few years was actually sold alongside the Xelvis :?.
  17. ...am I the only one here who prefers the trellis frame to the aluminium lump?! :oops:
  18. i love the steel frame. and from my limited experiance in chemistry, steel is denser, harder and stronger than alluminium, and im pretty sure the VTR frame is chrome moly, which provides corrosion resistance. alluminiums advantages are that it is much lighter and comparativly corrision resistant.
    im curious as to how an allumium chassis would be stiffer than a steel one?
  19. I think steel is inherently flexier than aluminium, but if someone has a CRC book handy I'm happy to be corrected on that. But the Spada's big cast block of aluminium seems more likely to be flex resistant than the VTR's ladder, regardless of material.
  20. Ahh, now thats a bigger question then you realise. some aluminiums have higher yield strengths then some steels. Generally they don't, but it's closer then most people think.

    Aluminium is about 1/3 the densityy of steel (2710 kg/m3 vs 7850 kg/m3), but it's Young's Modulas is also about 1/3 (70-90 GPa vs 210 GPa).

    The result is you need to use more aluminium than steel in a member.

    Add to this you need to compensate for the finite fatique life of Aluminium, then it becomes very closer as to what material is best for what application.

    Interestingly I have personally found that in many design problems, it's just not worth using Aluminium, even though it is much cheaper then it used to be.

    just from looking at them my guess is the VTR chasis would be much stronger then the Spada.