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VIC Victorian Parliament RSC Inquiry into Motorcycle Safety – The Players

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' started by Sir Ride Alot, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. This thread is an attempt to help us identify all the direct and indirect players including their alleged motives in the Victorian Parliament Road Safety Committee Inquiry into Motorcycle Safety.

    This is by no means an accurate and final list so feel free to add your opinion, additions and removals. I will update the list as often as I am able to.

    The list

    Anti Motorcycle
    • The training industry – Money
    • The safety industry – Money
    • The anti motorcyclists – Hate, envy, jealousy and fear of motorcycles & motorcyclists
    • The TAC – Seen to be doing something, introduce discrimination, uncooperative, money
    • VicRoads – Justify failed speed limit reductions and poor road maintenance, contradicts VicPol and TAC on front numberplates
    • Victoria Police – Failed operations, excessive police numbers, lack of work, intelligence gathering, commandos, harassment, regressive, money
    • The Auditor General - Speed Cameras, Redflex, front number plates, money
    • Department of Infrastructure – Lazy submission, only submitted an old report from 2008
    • Department of Sustainability & Environment (DSE) - Avenue to introduce carbon tax, access to forests and parks, motorcycle facilities, money
    • Royal Australasian College of Surgeons – Want to reduce their workload
    • Alfred Health - Legislate safety gear, money
    • The ambitious ones – Glory, fame, appointments, money
    • RACV – Insurance payout savings, money
    • The experts – Half of their submissions are about them
    • Citylink – Money
    • Redflex - Money
    Pro Motorcycle
    • VMC - A solid, clear concise and balanced submission addressing the real issues
    • IRG – ?
    • Hartwell Motorcycle Club – Education awareness campaigns aimed at drivers
    • AMTRA – Supports the introduction of Junior trail licences
    • Motorcycle industry - ?
    • Maurice Blackburn Lawyers - SMIDSY, motorcycle awareness
    • Professor Marcus Wigan – A must read, insightful and informative
    • The Ulysses Club – A good submission with some strong points, issue of increased training within the proposed MSCC GLS although asking for a reduction in the learner age.
    • Motorcyclists – Care for motorcycles and motorcyclists, safety and more freedoms
    • The Liberal Party – Votes, prop up failing industries, revenue, maintain motorcycle levy, money
    • The media - Advertising revenue, money
    • Select Scootas - ?
    • Australian Riders Division – Some good stuff but negated by support for new GLS and Safety Levy
    • VACC - Some good stuff but supports increased training, use it or lose it licensing for people that have not ridden for a while, discriminatory TAC fees for differing attire, looking at changing the TAC no fault system, does not like the cheaper imported motorcycles

    EDIT: Mods please feel free to add, edit, correct errors or update the list as I am unable to spend much time online. It's an open thread.
  2. Not a lot of point to date as only half of them have been put on the inquiry web site as yet.
  3. Thanks Tony. I'm hoping to continually update the list.
  4. DSE - trying to find ways to increase revenue due to increased motorcycles creating increased "pollution" I.E. trying to find away to slap a carbon tax on us too?
  5. that one I want to see where they go. The inquiry has nothing to do with carbon, and remember this is a Coalition government.
  6. DSE are probably there as they control the bush tracks through the parks?
  7. DSE depends who it is - if it's the manager of their "Trail Bike Initiative" it may be a lot more positive than you think.

    Note that the only academic that seems to have been called is Marcus Wigan. (There are names I don't know though)
  8. Just because somone is motivated by something different to you ( for example you suggest lawyers are motivated by profit) doesn't mean they aren't a useful ally
  9. I see the lawyers as a good thing. I'll clear it up.
  10. Ill agree its got nothing to do with carbon tax, but then carbon tax has nothing to do with reality and yet its still being pushed on the general public despite pretty much every piece of literature involved saying its going to be put on businesses not private individuals. Call me a cynic but it seems a lot of the time these parliamentary enquiries have a few players involved that have nothing to do what so ever with adding info to any enquiry but get their noses in just to see if they can find a way to make a few bucks out of whatever the enquiry is about whether thats to offset possible costs involved with implementing changes or to just outright make a profit. Our governments are little more than money making enterprises these days. We do live in Victoria.

    (This isnt to say im right btw, and i honestly do hope im wrong)
  11. There is no right or wrong just what is socially acceptable or unacceptable at a particular point in time.

    I wanted this thread to be more like a brainstorming session where we can all throw out any ideas no matter how out there they seem. Hopefully it will slowly form some kind of sense and possibly yield some players, motives and connections that may surprise us.

    The other added bonus is that any increased activity during the hearings should put some pressure on the anti motorcycle fanatics by knowing that the spotlight is upon them and that people are listening to every word they say.

    These anti motorcycle fanatics have had it far too easy for far too long.
  12. Are you taking up the public forum option on the Tuesday night???

    - - -
    Tapatalking loud, saying somethin'
  13. Rob all the hearings. They need to sweat going in and stress coming out. I don't know how but we need to get reports from the hearings somehow and tear the anti motorcycle ones apart that very night. Many of these fanatics need some sleepless nights.

    Accountability is what bureaucrats fear.

  14. did I read that right? Are you attending all of the hearings?
  15. I wish I could. I’m hoping to attend the open hearing. With the others I’m hoping that there is some way that we can get reports back to netrider.
  16. Mate, why don't you try to snag a spot at the public hearing and give your views for 10minutes? TonyE put up the details.
  17. You need to contact them today if you want to speak at the public meeting.

    Members of the public are also invited to attend the Open Forum on Tuesday 18 October 2011 from 6.30pm to 8.00pm. As part of the forum, people will have 10 minutes to discuss the issue of motorcycle safety with the Committee.

    Should you wish to attend the open forum, please contact the Road Safety
    Committee on 03 8682 2846 or via email at rsc@parliament.vic.gov.au by
    Wednesday 12 October 2011.

  18. Tony I just called them and made it in for Tuesday. Many thanks.
  19. Good stuff.

    I've done a very brief look at the submissions to date
    Some comments in red - quite a few there's no real information for (although I've still got more to read) The ones in Purple have been involved with the Maurice Blackburn meetings.
    I haven't commented on the DECA, Armstrongs, HART etc

    Monday 17 October 2011
    9.00am - 10.15am VicRoads
    Better than I expected - directly contradicts VicPol and TAC on Front numberplates etc

    10.15am - 10.45am Victorian Auditor-General's Office

    11.00am - 12.15pm Victoria Police
    Truly dreadful - dodgy stats, mandatory clothing, Front numberplates etc - bak to the 1980's basically.

    12.15pm - 1.30pm Department of Health

    2.00pm - 2.30pm State Coroner's Office of Victoria

    2.30pm - 3.45pm Transport Accident Commission
    As you'd expect.

    4.00pm - 5.15pm Department of Sustainability and Environment

    Tuesday 18 October 2011
    9.15am - 10.00am DECA

    10.00am - 10.45am Armstrong's

    11.00am - 11.45am Honda Australia Rider Training

    11.45am - 12.30pm Professor Marcus Wigan

    1.00pm - 1.45pm Select Scootas

    1.45pm - 2.45pm Mr Paul Varnsverry
    Specialist in design of protective equipment

    2.45pm - 3.45pm The Alfred
    Basically a call for mandatory protective clothing

    4.00pm - 4.30pm Youth Parliament Delegates
    Why? A pair of 15 year old schoolgirls calling for mandatory protective clothing.

    4.30pm - 5.30pm Independent Riders' Group

    5.30pm - 6.00pm Mr David McAuliffe
    Hangs around on something called Netrider :)

    6.30pm - 8.00pm OPEN FORUM*
    So far JK and Sir Ride a Lot are attending.

    Wednesday 19 October 2011
    9.15am - 9.45am Maurice Blackburn Lawyers

    9.45am - 10.30am Victorian Automobile Chamber of Commerce

    positive contribution

    10.45am - 11.30am Mr Kris Growcott
    Google tells me he's a rider & involved with draggin' jeans among other things

    11.30am - 12.30pm Mr Scott Harris
    Don't know anything aboutthis one

    1.00pm - 1.45pm RACV
    Dreadful - very anti motorcycle and is calling for massive TAC increases

    1.45pm - 2.30pm Victorian Motorcycle Council
    good, especially the statistics

    2.30pm - 3.30pm Mr Rex Deighton-Smith
    good private submission

    3.45pm - 4.15pm Ms Heather Ellis
    a submission calling for club rego to be available for all bikes regardless of age ]

    4.15pm - 4.45pm Ulysses Club
    one from the old peoples club
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