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VIC VicPol caught hiding speed cameras

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' at netrider.net.au started by Jeffco, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. From this mornings H/S Revenue Raising under the guise of the desired "road safety objective".

    Victoria Police officers caught hiding speed cameras in defiance of rules

    And the Herald Sun has been told Victoria Police is now rewriting those rules so they can officially continue to conceal some cameras.
    Police recently told speed camera commissioner Gordon Lewis the use of concealed or partly hidden mobile speed cameras is necessary to protect camera operators from injury.
    Changes being planned to the force's speed camera guidelines will also make it clear to mobile speed camera operators they can put cameras at the bottom of hills and on downhill slopes if they believe doing so will achieve the desired "road safety objective".
    Mr Lewis yesterday endorsed the planned rule changes relating to hidden cameras and cameras on hills.
    He said both were justified to protect mobile camera operators and road users.
    Mr Lewis asked Herald Sun readers in October last year to dob in any mobile speed cameras they believed were being used in breach of force guidelines.
    He did so after the Herald Sun revealed speeding fines had to be scrapped because a mobile camera was wrongly set up over the brow of a hill to snap motorists going down a steep slope on Warrigal Rd, Surrey Hills.
    Mr Lewis's plea to Herald Sun readers resulted in them dobbing in 116 mobile camera sites they believed were used in breach of Victoria Police guidelines.
    Only 40 of those complaints contained enough information for Mr Lewis to identify exactly where the cameras had been placed and that there was a potential issue that needed investigating.
    His nine month probe found in each case the cameras had been set up fairly and according to the guidelines.
    While he did identify three camera sites that were placed on unsuitable downhill stretches of road he agreed with the decisions of regional police inspectors to override the rules and allow the use of cameras on those hills for safety reasons.
    Mr Lewis said it was also Herald Sun readers who discovered the controversial hidden camera tactic.
    He asked Victoria Police for a "please explain" and he was told the two hidden cameras identified by the readers were put behind a large shrub and a road sign to protect the camera operators.
    Mr Lewis was shown CCTV footage shot from inside a number of camera vehicles showing cars and trucks being driven at camera cars.
    Police told him the drivers were "deliberately intimidating" the speed camera operators.
    Force guidelines currently state that "under no circumstances " are mobile speed cameras to be concealed by any covert means, such as signs, tree branches, rubbish bins or lamp posts.
    The new rules are expected to allow operators to conceal or partially conceal cameras if a senior officer believes their safety is at risk.
    Mr Lewis yesterday told the Herald Sun he was satisfied the 40 mobile speed camera sites he checked were set up in accordance with the guidelines, but the hilly Warrigal Rd site showed mistakes were sometimes made.
    He said he would continue to monitor where police placed mobile cameras to ensure they were sited correctly.
    Victoria Police spokeswoman Julie-Anne Newman yesterday confirmed the force was rewriting its guidelines on where mobile speed cameras can and can't be used.
    "We have simply sought to clarify the wording of our policy to ensure police are considering all options when deciding where to place a mobile speed camera," acting sergeant Newman said.
    "The placement of these cameras is always determined by intelligence and evidence, based on stringent site selection criteria.
    "This has not changed, and we do not anticipate any changes to the number of cameras being placed on hills or slopes as a result of this.
    "It is a common misconception within the community that police can not place these cameras on a hill or slope.
    "That has never been the case, and it is entirely unaffected by this minor policy amendment.
    "Victoria Police has always adopted a common sense approach to locating mobile speed cameras, this amendment does not alter that approach.
    "Victoria Police will also consider the recommendation of the road safety commissioner to review and amend our policy about the concealment of mobile speed cameras to reflect the safety of mobile speed camera operators."
    The amended guidelines will say there is no restriction from a technical, legislative or enforcement perspective on a mobile road safety camera being operated on a slope, hill or gradient.
    "All motorists have to comply with the relevant speed limit," the new guideline, which has been seen by the Herald Sun, will say.
    "When considering the establishment of a site which includes a slope, hill or gradient, consideration should be given to identifying a nearby (level) location that achieves the same road safety objective.
    "If the road safety objective cannot be achieved at an alternative location within the site it can be established and used regardless of whether a slope, hill or gradient is contained within it."
  2. In other words - if the drivers slow down at the alternative location, we'll place the camera where they speed
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  3. if the road safety objective is issuing a quota of tickets and we can't get our quota without hiding the camera... we'll hide the camera wherever on the hill works best.

    As it turns out we were breaking the rules, we'll just rewrite the rules....

    what id like to know is why dont they put signs out if they have to park somewhere concealed for safety... if its not about hiding then they should put out signs like they do in some other states.
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  5. So much for making speed cameras more acceptable to the motoring public...
  6. noticed for a while they have been tucking themselves into the trees more. yesterday they were at the bottom of the little hill just outside yarra glen.
  7. So much for driving efficiency - brake on a downhill, to comply with a ridiculous speed limit, to then accelerate more than usually required to climb the hill....
    Yay to 'reduced' emissions.... Yay to driving efficiency...

    Would it not be safer (for ALL involved, if that's what the REAL issue here is) to have these so-called 'safety' (cough...'revenue'...cough) cameras at the TOP of the hill, identifying then the REAL speed culprits and road users disregarding speed limits?

    I swear this State is being governed by monkeys...
  8. I'm surprised. News Ltd is allowing what a headline that - by implication - is critical of police practises. And it also portrays the RSCC as puppet of the police executive. The brown envelope must not have shown up this week.
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  9. I was caught going 86 in a 60 zone on a Saturday night (6:45am) a while ago after work, a very steep decline so naturally i'm just going to cruise down the hill. I didn't notice the car as it was dark and foggy, but it's obvious why they are placing it at the bottom of a steep hill.

    For reference it is the corner of Blackburn road/King street in East Doncaster.

    Not really fair I.M.O but at least my fine and tax dollars are going toward a good cause!! ....:whistle:
  10. So they don't debate that they've done the dirty......they just change the rules to suite themselves:

    It feels like playing Monopoly with my sister as a kid all over again.

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  11. People are surprised by this revelation?
  12. It was all about raising revenue in the past .its about raising revenue now . The government working against the people .
  13. The Victorian Liberal Party allowing the unelected to rewrite the rules. There's your stability!
  14. To be fair it is pretty ridiculous you let the car go 26km over the limit without bothering to put your foot on the brake
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  15. Those 'rules' have now been changed:

    October 15, 2013 12.01am

    EXCLUSIVE: VICTORIA Police has rewritten its mobile speed camera rules specifically to allow cameras to be hidden and used on hills.

    The force policy used to say that "under no circumstances" were cameras to be concealed by any covert means.

    It also used to ban them on downhill stretches of road unless the site had a significant speed-related crash record. The new rules - effective immediately - permit mobile speed cameras to be hidden behind trees, bushes, posts and road signs to lessen the risk of harm to camera operators from angry motorists. They also allow them to be used at the bottom of hills and on slopes if the "road safety objective" can't be achieved at an alternative location.

    "There is no restriction from a technical, legislative or enforcement perspective on a mobile road safety camera being operated on a slope, hill or gradient," the new rules say.

    The force spent months creating its new policy after the Herald Sun revealed some cameras were being hidden despite the ban and also that fines had to be scrapped because a camera was wrongly set up on a steep hill.

    Victoria Police yesterday defended the changes to the mobile speed camera policy, saying they included recommendations made by speed camera commissioner Gordon Lewis.

    "The amendments were made to specifically focus on the occupational health and safety of mobile speed camera operators, which is paramount in ensuring they can work in a safe environment," force spokesman Leonie Johnson said.

    Police told Mr Lewis the use of concealed or partly hidden cameras was necessary to protect camera operators from injury.


    Full story: Cameras to be concealed.

  16. this argument intrigues me. if they hide from cars approaching from both the front and rear, how do they take the photos? and if they don't hide from both, aren't they still at danger?
  17. Speed cameras:

    'Cause the save lives'n'$hit

    Game. Set. Match.

    We're all farked.
  18. Camera Commissioner Gordon Lewis pointed out this morning that the re-writing of the guidelines (not law) simply brings the wording into line with what the police and private collectors have been doing in the field all along. Big tick from Gord, as always for his good mates.
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  19. yup. all they've done is close the loophole. kerching!
  20. gordon Lewis needs to go as does the police minister as does this insipid state government. Labor was bad but this mob have taken it all to a whole new level
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