Check out this story: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25098882-2862,00.html In summary, a guy speeds along. Another guy (in a Ferrari) takes off after him. Ferrari driver subsequently loses control, crashes, and dies and kills his female passenger as well. The guy in the other car is jailed for the offence of culpable driving. Seriously, WTF? He wasn't responsible for making the Ferrari guy go fast and kill himself. Getting back to motorbikes, I find that this has greatly disturbing legal implications for group rides. If any of us leads a ride, and someone who's following runs off the road and kills themselves, can it then be successfully argued in court that the person leading was responsible for the death and jailed as a result for that? All it would take, it would seem, would be for someone to say that they thought you were speeding at some time (you being the leader) and you're now in the shit trying to prove that it wasn't you who steering the dead guy's motorbike off the road. Heck, doesn't even appear to be an issue with group rides. If you overtake anyone at all, and they subsequently run off and die, are you then responsible if it can be ascertained that the person who killed themselves was trying to catch up to, or tail you, even if they did that without your knowledge (you being in front and all)? Shit like this makes me very concerned.