Hi there ... this be my first post on motorcycle thread so be nice I realize there's a ton of 'which lams bike should I buy' thread and believe me I've read a lot of them. I'm posting this to compare these bikes as they're all approaching 10+years old now. I'm doing my learners on Monday (which I'm planning to pass) after which I'll be looking to buy my first bike. I'm about 168cm and 80kgs and will be riding from the Dandenong hills area to the CBD (Melbourne) daily to work ... about 100kms round trip. I'm a car enthusiast but I can't stomach churning through 17l/100kms doing an average of 20km/h in peak traffic any more. My plan is to spend under $4k on a first bike, I really don't want something which is going to struggle it's behind off going up hills where the limit is 100km/h and getting in everyone's way. I'd really like to get a 650 for the weight and torque but that's out of my budget. I've been told to steer away from cruisers as they are difficult for a noob to get used to and can be tricky to maneuver at low speeds (lane splitting). So question is: how do these older bikes (gpx250/zzr250 and the vtr250) compare to each other? How well do the higher mileage specimens run? How do they perform compared to say a newer ninja 250 or an Inazuma 250? tbh, I'd really like to get a ninja 300 from the reviews I've read, but if I'm going to spend north of $5k, I'll go finance and buy something like the er6nl which I've sat on and liked, a 390 duke or a hyo GT650. Thanks for the advice!