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Ultimate guide to lube!

Discussion in 'Technical and Troubleshooting Torque' at netrider.net.au started by boro_baba, May 12, 2008.

  1. My old man just sent me this! I found it pretty handy so I thought theres bound to be a few people that could use this... well... enjoy :)


    1. PJ1 Chain Lube (black) (MCN Best Buy)
    Total Score 25.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 4.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 5.0
    Sling Off = 3.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 5.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 5.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.42
    Observations: Dark blackish/purple slightly foamy spray. Dries to thick black liquid that feels very tacky. Best in group in corrosion reisitance and in reducing rolling resistance. A long-time leader in chain lube technology.

    2. Kawasaki K-Kare Foaming (MCN Recommended)
    Total Score 23.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 5.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 5.0
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 4.0
    Value = 5.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.36
    Observations: A slightly foamy, amber medium thin liquid that dissapates moderately fast. When dry it remains a med. thin liquid with a slight tackiness to the touch. Least expensive of all bike-specific products. Excellent initial and post rolling resistance, but poor sling off characterisitcs.

    3. Yamaha Performance (MCN Recommended)
    Total Score 23.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 4.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 3.0
    Sling Off = 4.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 5.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 4.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.53
    Observations: Sprays a fine mist of yellowish-white slightly foamy liquid. Quickly dissapates into a med. thin, light viscosity liquid. Dries into a light amber solid gel with no tackiness to the touch but did produce a slippery feel. Excellent corrosion resistance and good sling off resistance.

    4. Pro Honda HP Lube (red can) (MCN Recommended)
    Total Score 22.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 3.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 2.5
    Sling Off = 4.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 5.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 4.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.53
    Observations: A fine mist spray that was dark gray and was very thin in viscosity. The product dried to a soft blackish non-pourable grease with little to no tackiness. Superb rust protection, average or better in other respects.

    5. PJ1 Chain Lube (blue) (MCN Recommended)
    Total Score 22.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 5.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 4.5
    Sling Off = 2.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 4.0
    Grit Resistance = 2.0
    Value = 4.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.44
    Observations: Fine pinpoint spray that is very thin in viscosity and blue in color. Dries to a tacky, thin gel. Very water resistant. Despite mfr claims, sling off is below average. Initial rolling resistance is excellent and maintains well during use, but the tacky gel also attracts and holds grit.

    6. Torco Power Slide Titanium (MCN Recommended)
    Total Score 21.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 4.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 3.5
    Sling Off = 4.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 3.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.54
    Observations: High preessure med spray of a white liquid. Dries into a soft, foam-like cream. Very light and slippery, yet little tackiness to the touch. Very water resistant. This is Torco's new (back in 2001 when this was written) product that replaces the Power Slide lube.



    OK, I was wrong... a chain wax did make it into the top 10, but none made it to the "Recommended" level.

    7. Bardahl Chain Wax
    Total Score 20.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 3.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 2.0
    Sling Off = 4.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 4.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.47
    Observations: Medium brown high-pressure mist when using the extended tip or the built-in nozzle. Eventually dries to a hard, waxy solid. No tackiness was detected due to the paraffin base. Good resistance to sling off, butabout average in all other respects.

    8. Maxima Synthetic Chain Guard
    Total Score 19.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 5.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 5.0
    Sling Off = 2.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 1.0
    Value = 3.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.54
    Observations: Slightly foamy spray dissapated moderately slowly. Dries to a light amber color, pourable oil similar in viscosity to thin motor oil. Some tackiness was noted. Tied for first place with Kawasaki for best rolling resistance.

    9. Silkolene ProChain
    Total Score 18.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 3.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 4.0
    Sling Off = 4.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 1.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 3.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.48
    Observations: Very thin jet like spray with a trace of green color in a basically clear liquid. Dries to a clear, unpourable gel with high tackiness. Maintains good rolling resistance and sling characteristics, but scores poorly in corrosion resistance despite mfr's claims.

    10. Bel-Ray Chain Lube
    Total Score 18.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 2.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 4.0
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 4.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.43
    Observations: Strong pinpoint light tan spray from the nozzle that instantly foams into a thick shaving cream like foam. Dries to a very thick and very tacky amber liquid similar in viscosity to honey. Also has the tip holder built into the can top. Good rolling resistance, but poor sling off characterisitcs.

    11. Maxima Chain Wax
    Total Score 17.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 4.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.5
    Sling Off = 3.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 2.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.59
    Observations: Slightly misty spray was delivered with the nozzle and with the extended nozzle of the coffee colored liquid. Eventually dries to a hard waxy solid. No tackiness was detected due to the paraffin base. Good initial rolling resistance, but effects seem to degrade quickly in use.

    12. VP Chain Glide
    Total Score 17.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 4.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Sling Off = 3.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.5
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 2.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.54
    Observations: The entire wording on the label is identical to Maxima Chain Wax except for the brand name... hmmm? Not suprisingly, all test results and observations were also nearly identical. However, the VP is slightly less expensive.



    13. Bel-Ray Super Clean
    Total Score 17.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 2.5
    Sling Off = 5.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 4.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 2.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.59
    Observations: Milky colored fine mist spray. Dries to a soft yet thick non-pourable cake icing-like film that feels quite slippery to the touch with some tackiness. Very water-resistant. Product cap has a very handy tip holder built into it. A top scorer in sling off, but poor rolling resistance.



    14. Castrol Chain Wax
    Total Score 17.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 3.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Sling Off = 5.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 4.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 1.0
    Cost per ounce = $1.84
    Observations: Delivers a very fine, milky colored mist, no extended nozzle was included. Dries to a soft, thick, non-pourable cake icing like film. Very slippery to the touch with some tackiness. Excellent sling off rating, but poor rolling resistance. Very expensive.

    15. Lubrimatic EP Gear Lube
    Total Score 16.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 2.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 4.0
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 2.0
    Grit Resistance = 2.0
    Value = 5.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.059
    Observations: No claims specific to motorcycle chains. However, several manufacturers suggest the use of gear lube. Medium thick dark amber liquid. Since it contains no solvents its appearance does not change as time passes. Good rolling resistance but poor sling off characteristics. Least expensive by far of all products.

    16. Motul Chain Lube
    Total Score 16.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 3.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Sling Off = 5.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 4.0
    Grit Resistance = 2.0
    Value = 1.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.59
    Observations: Lid contains a convenient holder for the extra tip and extended nozzle. Product is delivered as a fine mist of very clear, light viscosity spray. Very water resistant. Excellent sling off and good corrosion resistance.

    17. Motul Chain Lube Plus
    Total Score 16.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 1.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 2.0
    Sling Off = 5.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 1.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.59
    Observations: High pressure mist-like spray. Dries to a white cake icing-like feel. Has good tackiness to touch. Very water-resistant. Excellent sling-off characteristics. The large can refills Motul's small-sized can, saving you expense.

    18. Suzuki Chain Lube
    Total Score 16.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 1.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 3.5
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 4.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 3.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.42
    Observations: Thick dark purplish foamy spray, quickly dissipates leaving a medium thin liquid. Dries to a clear liquid on top with a darker black layer on bottom. Moderate tackiness. Very water resistant. Slings off easily.

    19. WD-40
    Total Score 14.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 2.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 3.0
    Grit Resistance = 5.0
    Value = 2.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.40
    Observations: Thin amber liquid in a fine spray that did not dry or cure. An old standby of cyclists everywhere. WD-40 showed excellent grit resistance and good corrosion and water protection, but slings off easily and comes up short on rolling resistance. Most moto-specific lubes are better.

    20. Spectro Synthetic total tac
    Total Score 14.5
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 1.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.5
    Sling Off = 3.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 4.0
    Grit Resistance = 2.0
    Value = 2.5
    Cost per ounce = $0.46
    Observations: White thick foamy spray, slow to dissapate. Large diameter nozzle sprays a slow, easy to control pattern while extended nozzle delivers a fine spray. Dried to a cloudy light honey-like pourable liquid with some tackiness. Good corrosion resistance, but not much else.

    21. Silkolene Chain Lube
    Total Score 11.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 2.5
    Post Rolling Resistance = 4.5
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 1.0
    Grit Resistance = 1.0
    Value = 1.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.41
    Observations: Dark brown, medium-thick spray that was slightly foamy as dispensed. Dries to a dark brownish-black, pourable oil with good tackiness. Excellent extended rolling resistance, but corrosion, grit reisitance and sling off all the worst of the group. Silkolene's ProChain scores better.

    22. Yamaha Chain Lube
    Total Score 9.0
    Initial Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Post Rolling Resistance = 1.0
    Sling Off = 1.0
    Corrosion Resistance = 2.0
    Grit Resistance = 3.0
    Value = 1.0
    Cost per ounce = $0.43
    Observations: Thick purplish foamy spray quickly dissapates leaving medium-thin liquid. Dries to a clear liquid on top with a darker layer on bottom. Moderate tackiness. Very water resistant. Poor resistance and sling off. Odd, as Yamaha's Performance brand scored a "Recommended."
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  2. I recommend Maxima Chain Wax !
     
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  3. interesting :?
     
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  4. how does castrol chain lube stack up against them all. i see the Wax Castrol but no lube.

    I got it at supercheap. I'm thinking it's better than the WD40 i used once in about 1000km.
     
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  5. WoW such a low score for Silkolene Chain Lube. I had used this for 40,000km and when my local shop stoped selling it I cried... The best chain lube I have ever used...
     
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  6. Do you have anything with a bit more detail?




    :) no that's helpful, cheers boro
     
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  7. I thought when I saw this thread title it was about the research you'd been doing in preparation for your stay in Her Majesty's Finest :LOL:
     
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  8. You're a sick puppy, Dougz... :? :LOL: :LOL:
     
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  9. what happened to BP's link lube??

    It's the only stuff I use ... but personal choice ...

    BP link lube seems to work quite well, although it does get a reasonable amount of sling off ...
     
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  10. Interesting, but I'm not sure it addresses what chain lubes actually need to do on a modern x-ring chain.

    The only lube that really makes a difference is the stuff inside the rubber o- or x-rings separating the plates from the rollers. Presumably the same buttery stuff that new chains come packed in.

    The rest of the chain doesn't need a whole lot of help getting on and off the sprocket teeth, and that sealed lube in the rings is what helps the chain to bend around each sprocket.

    The real question is which of these lubricants does the best job of preserving the o- and x-rings? WD-40 might have decent lubricating qualities, but it's a displacement agent and is well known to get into the o-rings and wash out the important lube inside them, drying them out at the same time.

    PJ1 might have the best anti-fling and rolling resistance figures but how do we tell if this translates to a longer life of the lube behind the o-rings?

    I dunno about this one.
     
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  11. Beat me to it ya bastard!

    Regards, Andrew.
     
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  12. great (or evil) minds etc etc :LOL:
     
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  13. Look I don't want to sook or anything but how many threads do we need on chain lube.

    When are we going to get a thread on shaft lube.

    Hmmm. Did I just say that aloud?
     
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