Howdy all... I didn't want this to become part of the "normal" vic rides forum so I thought I would pop it in here. Tonight was my first L's ride and what follows is my impressions / experience. Now, for anyone that has read my profile / hello message in the lounge, you'll know that I am not a true "new" rider. I used to ride a 14 years ago and have recently (3 months ago) started riding again. None the less, I like to think that I can always learn something from any new experience and decided tonight was the night to give it a go. Sidebar: A thanks to Johnny for leading and Drew and (sorry forgot your name) for TECing - awesome! The evening started with a whole lot of socialising / networking / bike admiring, very nice. John gave everyone a quick intro and also read the riot act to all, letting everyone know that this was a learner's ride and that if you wanted to "muck about" to save it for another time / the Thursday ride. Again all good... I'm feeling happy for having turned up. Everyone lined up to leave on the ride, and then the evening turned out to be less than spectacular from that point on. I was hoping to observe good roadcraft, maybe even pick a few pointers if anyone happened to notice me doing anything not so spectacularly good - instead here is a brief list of what I saw. Wheelies away from the lights. Lane splitting and lots of it. (I strongly believe Lane splitting should be legal - and I strongly believe it can be safer than travelling in a lane proper. Everyone does it (me included) - but it is illegal, so is it a prudent activity for a learners ride?) Diving in / out of lane - cutting off cars. Riding on the footpath to get in front of cars that had stopped at a red light. Bike riding while standing on the pillion pegs. Lots of speeding. I am certain that everyone on the ride, individually and even in a group are all great people. And some (by virtue of the list above) have some pretty "sweet" tricks and skills. But did I learn anything? Unfortunately, I'm going to have to say No. The L Platers on the ride - for a fair few, weren't much better behaved either - how much of their behaviour was influenced by the others in the riding group? I'm not saying it was a complete disaster, As a social get-together / networking activity it was pretty good. But if I wanted to socialise and network, I would have attended a coffee night and not a night that is "billed" as a riding night for learners to gain skills / confidence / advice. I don't want to sound like an old "nanna" (though I know I do, in this instance) and importantly I don't want to obscure anyone from offering their assistance to new riders and I most certainly don't want to "scare off" any newbies from joining in on the ride either. Simply, please try and remember the target audience for the Tuesday night ride is learners. Ensure your influence upon a learner is a positive and pro-active one. Gavin.