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The FireBlade Experience

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' started by DAMon17, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. Yes and I found the experience valuable

  2. Yes and I thought it was a waste of time or money

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  3. No, I went straight to a bigger bike and have never looked back

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  4. No I went straight to a bigger bike and think it was the wrong decision

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  1. I thought I would share a recent experience with people.

    I've been riding for just shy of a year on my VTR250, I've done about 25,000 km so far.

    A few days back a mate of a neighbour was visiting and was nice enough to let me have a ride of his Fireblade. I have been on the bike before but only as a quick zip up the street and back and at the time I found it to be a lot of power to handle. The other night I took it for a half hour ride and it really opened my eyes up as to why there are the limitations place on new riders.

    It's not like getting out of a 1979 Ford Escort and into an XR8. I have always found with cars it takes only minutes to adjust and if you are careful, it's pretty hard to stuff up. These powerful bikes though are a lot to handle. It only took me 10 mins or so before I was riding fairly smoothly but I can certainly see how some riders get themselves killed.

    One of my neighbours got his license when I did but decided that he is going to wait until he is off restrictions before he buys a bike. He seems to think it will be as easy to ride as the CB250s we did our test on, only faster. I now think this is a bad thing. I've learned so much in the past year and there is still a decent step up to a bigger bike. But I'm finding it exciting rather than daunting.
  2. I havnt ridden a bigger bike yet...but entirely agree. I have learnt so much on the 250 and made some mistakes that were due to inexperience. Some mistakes might not have mattered whether I was on a bigger bike or not but I have had 2 bad compression lockups into corners that would have been far more sever if I was on a bigger bike. I did not crash and learnt in those times how it feels and how to save it whether that would have happened on the bigger bike...well I wouldnt want to find out.
  3. Look, most people can learn to handle a big bike. It's not that hard. But it's much easier to have fun on a smaller bike, because you can use all the throttle most of the time and chuck 'em around without being scared of the things.

    A lot of early upgraders are absolutely shit riders because they've never thrashed the tits off a bike in their life. They don't learn the skills on smaller bikes, and those skills are hard to learn on superbikes because the penalties are so much higher.

    Far as I'm concerned, most people would have more fun on an ER6 than an R1, and 250s like the VTR are absolutely hilarious to ride.
  4. Seriously after I took the blade for a spin, I got back on my bike and we went to the carwash. I felt like I should be putting mail in peoples boxes on the way... :LOL:
  5. My opinion on the 250 has changed with experience. I first wanted to upgrade about a month since I had the VTR250. I now have it for 1.5 years (and 22,000 kms) and only 1 more month until my restriction ends, but I am not as keen to upgrade anymore as I was back then. I have learnt that quick acceleration is only one part of the excitement. Now that I can corner faster I find that's where a lot of the thrills lie. And I know I can continue to push myself, even on the 250. Having said that I will be upgrading soon and continue to learn on a heavier and faster bike instead.

    It's not what kind of bike you have, it's what you can do with it. Although a Fireblade would be kinda cool...
  6. While I was still on restrictions, i was able to test a cbr 600f (on a private property of course ;) ) and the power felt huge then, but the urge to upgrade didn't get the better of me and did some learning on the ol 250 :)
  7. I am buying a CBR125R on the weekend - Power is something you dont want initially - but everybodys different.

    CBR125R was fine for me, pulled me and another 100 Kilo guy easily up and around the test ride that I went on.

    I weigh 60Kg and am nealy a midget - hence the CBR 125R, and if some one else starts making scorpion remarks...

    I dont want to hear it - I like it - Its brand new and shiny - and matches my Jacket, so nehh. :p
  8. Fully agree with Loz and it also depends on whats between your ears more than between your legs :wink: (male)
  9. I did the exact same thing.

    I think there comes a time when you realise that you'd get "bored" of a faster bike just as you get "bored" of the VTR250's thundering 30-something horsepower... And begin to realise that it's an absolute hoot to go charging through city streets on the minimonster (St. Kilda mystery rides!), and that it does all the things a big bike can do anyway. Touring with craploads of luggage, twisties, commuting...

    I still looked forward to getting something with more legroom and a little better suited to the type of riding I found myself drawn to... But I still loved the VTR. :)
  10. Oh boy...here we go again. :LOL:

    Your neighbour could be an up and coming statistic if he is'nt smart with his riding.

    You'll get alot of opinions on this, and the fact is, just about anyone can ride a bike, given a bit of practice...any bike.
    This fact reinforces the falsehood, that because they can physically ride the thing, they are good to go....and they often are....into cars, trees, or just down the road all by themselves on their arses.

    The reality is, that it's not good enough to be able to just ride a bike, you have to know how to ride it WELL!...And that's where the smaller bikes really pay dividends...They give you a chance to learn your roadcraft and develope your skills without having to worry as much. It's just a simple fact of life that they are more forgiving because they are'nt too heavy, too powerful, or too sensitive, so you can get on with things more easily.

    Some people don't have a problem and take to the larger capacity machines relatively easily, but in those early stages if things go pear shaped, they are still far more likely to come off in spactacular fashion.

    New riders need to give themselves a chance. The smaller bikes allow that much more than the bigger machines.

    Now I'll sit back and watch the reactions... :LOL: :popcorn:
  11. I had to do 1 year (P's) and 3 months (L's) on smaller bikes, but not by choice. It was by no means a bad experience, and I enjoyed each and every one of the ~40,000 kays I did in that time, but the day I got my full licence, I walked right out of the RTA office and into a bike shop. I tried several big-bore machines (never even looked at 600's) and left a deposit on my 900cc.

    What makes the bike fast and/or dangerous is not the power - it's the rider himself. Some people can kill themselves on a postie. Others will be fine if you sit them on a turbo 'busa right away :) Sure it takes a while to learn to handle a bike that weighs 220 kilos after an RS125, but it's doable. Just take it slow, don't be a fool, and never stop learning.

    P.S. I am by no means justifying the cases of idiots who get big bikes and go get themselves (or worse - others) killed. It is as tragic as it is stupid. What I'm saying is it doesn't have to be that way if you've got a good enough head on your shoulders :) Or if you're a terrible wuss such as myself :LOL:
  12. Like a fair few people on here, i got my license when i was 18 and i started on a 250. If i jumped onto a 600 or 1000 straight away i can admit that i would NOT have been mature/diciplined enough at 18yo to handle and respect a machine like that. i still get a bit silly on my 600 now! :p
  13. The bike I want isn't LAMS approved but it is 'only' a 250 :cry:

    if only i could get a RS250 in NSW i would be happy as pie

    but now that i am stuck on the little brother i will probably get a 600/750/1000cc supersport when i'm off restrictions
  14. I did my time on the zzr. I wanted to upgrade the whole time.. as to when had I learnt all I cared to on the 250? Probably about 8 months in.

    Upgraded to have a bike that I could keep, with an engine that will last longer, that I can pillion and tour on (of course can do on a 250 but it requires more effort and I'm lazy), have more overtaking power, 20-30 more top end speed would have been nice as well as taking ALOT less time to get there.

    Realistically for my style of riding (I know the fundamentals and I don't ever push it) I could have jumped to a busa and it wouldn't be any more dangerous imo. But I went for a relatively 'low powered' (if you can call 0-100 in 3.4 seconds and 225kmh top end) sedate bike, and the transition stage that I'm in at the moment is nothing to do with power at all.

    250 to 1000+, who cares. As long as you do it on a 250 for enough time, you'll be FINE if you take it easy. As to how long 'enough' is, that depends on you.
  15. when i got my restricted ,i rode my wifes gpx250 a couple of times but mainly learned rideing ct 110's at work did that for about 3 years caneing the ring of them! then went and got my opens my first bike was a clapped out vf 500 it was about the size of a 250 and probably not as fast as one ,rode that for about 2 years and about 60 thousand K's before i moved on to something with any real power!

    i think taking it in steps helped my skills!!
  16. Straight to CBR600F

    Hi All,

    As some would already know I went straight to CBR600F.

    As I am over 30. And had alot of undetected crime in the car.

    The bike will only go as fast as you twist the right wrist.

    Whether it be 125,600,1000,1300 etc

    The weight is probably the only thing if you went straight to a large bike.

    But with the new training scheme prior to riding you learn quite alot. In comparison to sit a written test, get a permit and go learn yourself as it used to be.

    I believe horses for courses. I can see the risk in allowing some younger less mature riders, jump on any old bike. As they believe they are invincible and appear to have no fear.

    It has worked out well for me. As I got a great commuting bike, that has more than enough go on the weekends.

    I also wouldn't have to upgrade for sometime. Better for my bank balance.

  17. im over 30 & just licenced too, bought a 500 and was bored on it. First 2 weeks was good ,but i mastered it in the 3rd week.When i say mastered i mean i hit the gas , gave it all and then laughed .My car probably has more grunt.

    I then stepped up into a 650 .Im finding the current bike after 3 weeks is pulling up a bit short particularly in top gear . I'm leaning towards the new busa, the new one has 3 buttons , slow mode, middle mode and fast mode. I figure you get 3 bikes in one and i just hope it does'nt get boring.

    Ps- i cant ride for shit but im not in for that, im in it for FUN factor and CAFE stops.
  18. I have ridden my babyblade for 14 weeks, and in that time have done alot of riding, both commuting and full day rides.

    Next week I pick up my new '08 cbr600rr. Im not looking forward to the speed and power as much as Im looking forward to riding a bike with more torque, one which doesnt get blown about on the freeways. A bike which gives security in the way it feels more in contact with the road.

    I have come off the 250 once, and I am a bit worried as I have never experienced a compression lock up ect. The fall was the biggest wake up call ever. In saying that I have already booked my advanced course with Stay Upright. Education goes a long way.

    Im grateful to all the people who have let me ride their bigger bikes, to give me the confidence that it is not that scary, repect the throttle and enjoy the ride.
  19. So whats wrong with a scooter??? :LOL:
  20. I grew up on a farm, and rode almost daily from eight or so, raced motocross etc. My first road bike was an RG500 2 stroke, which was the R1 of it's day. On my Ls too :shock:
    I could handle to bike without any trouble, what I didn't understand was traffic. I could zoom around at nutty speeds, and be perfectly safe, but I didn't yet comprehend that car drivers had little to no idea I was there. I got into quite a few accidents, which were not my fault technically, but I could have avoided with forthought.
    Ability on a bike is only part of staying alive on the road. Judging traffic takes experience too. If you have poor impulse control, don't get a faster bike too soon :grin: