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The F1 Solution (don't read if you don't know latest result)

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by hornet, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. Everybody knows that F1 races are boring processions in which the race is always decided in the pits; none more so than last night :rofl:. So, in the light of the Precious Pom's brain fade, and the wholly bizarre result of the race, a brilliant idea has occurred to me.

    Run each race in two stages, half each. At the end of thr first stage, everyone stops, the cars are fueled up and tyres are changed (no other pits stops, except for damage, and no tyre changes while THAT is being fixed, allowed), and then the field is REVERSED, last place goes to first and first to last, and the second half of the race is run. Let's see how good the big three REALLY are when THEY have to battle aerodynamic instability while trying to pass. And no-one will be able to 'sand-bag' the first half because cars will be monitored electronically and anyone not trying 100% will be disquailfied.
  2. Maybe something like a salary cap on the budgets would do the
    I just don't watch it.
  3. Great idea, I like it. I'd go one step further, at the half way point of the race the cars are stopped, then turned around by their pit crews, and they have to finish the race driving backwards using only their mirrors.
    Oh, and the crowd are allowed to throw rotten fruit at them.
    That should take care of the aerodynamics and the traction control. I'd watch that.
  4. Might want to add a spoiler alert Hornet. I've only made it a quarter of the way through the race so far.

    Not personally complaining, as my brain is enormous and I suspected I shouldn't read this if I cared. :)
  5. Monaco this year and Canada last year were pretty good races. It's worth watching for races like that.
  6. :oops:. sorry about that :oops:.
  7. Want to improve F1? ban carbon fibre (that'll knock $1mil off teh price of a car) and put a small limit on wing sizes.
    Make it about driving again.

    Regards, Andrew.
  8. Yup. Manual gearboxes and clutches too. These are supposed to be cars, not bloody games consoles.

    I do like the idea of a reverse grid. Or anything else that encourages actual racing.

    Maybe TV coverage could help in encouraging racing by, instead of showing two hours of the race leaders circulating, concentrating on any exciting dices further down the order. That way, proper racing gets sponsors more TV time, so sponsors may apply pressure to teams for a more exciting display.
  9. As an ardent F1 fan, even I have to admit that there often ARENT any interesting dices happening further down the field! :(

    Look out next year though as they are increasing mechanical grip (by changing tyre rules), decreasing aero dependence and best of all, introducing energy capture from the braking that can then be used as a power boost for overtaking, similar in concept (although very different in execution) to the Champ Car series in the US.

    Oh, and I reckon they should change the season around so they are always racing in winter, not summer. Wet tracks ALWAYS make an F1 race more interesting... :grin:
  10. Fair enough. I haven't really followed F1 since the 3 litre Cosworth bowed out of competition :grin: . And I wasn't exactly a fanatic back then.
  11. I've been thinking of something similar Hornet, but not the reversing part!! Just have a set time for pit stos like 8-10 seconds so it makes an even playing feel. Would be a peice of p!ss to put in place and monitor.

    As for the cars, engineers will always find ways around the rules, so the best thing is to lessen the auxillary parts or standardise them.

    There was talk for a while about zero drag wings to allow close racing, they had like a massive U in the middle and provided limited downforce. Dont know what happened to them.
  12. Formula Ford! :)

    I think the CVT-operated flywheel's a curious idea. Will be interesting to see how that goes, because it'd definitely be useful on ordinary cars, especially with how compact and light the system is.
  13. I know that was tongue in cheek, but it's not a bad idea. FF is hugely more entertaining to watch than F1. Think how much more exciting it would be with 8x the horsepower :shock: :grin:.
  14. i am a HUGE F1 fan, its fun watching tactics each team uses and such but if you want true racing watch A1 GP- same cars, same engines, same tyres just the drivers' skill and team tactics that separate the teams!
  15. WRC (although not a 'race' as such, because it is staggered start) has what amounts to almost a handicap system wherein the leader has to 'sweep' the stage, which amounts to a serious disadvantage to the leading car. It genuinely seems to help in make events more interesting in that contest.
    I don't know if any sort of handicapping would help F1, but I do agree with the 'one fuel (or tyre?) stop only' concept. There's currently WAY too much emphasis on strategy ATM.
    Plus, I'd take away ALL aerodynamic aids and see how that went.
  16. Handicapping, assuming the handicapper knows their stuff, is capable of producing some very entertaining and exciting racing, pretty much ensuring that the faster cars will have to carve their way through the pack to win. I could see it also leading to greater variety in design solutions. Indeed, taken to it's extreme, it would be possible to see a virtually open formula, the level playing field being provided by a sophisticated handicap system.

    Although it is a very specialised example, I used to thoroughly enjoy handicap races at Vintage Sports Car Club race meetings, as you could be pretty much assured of a colossal last-lap free for all, with late '50s GP cars mixing it with low-budget Austin 7s, aero-engined monsters, chain-drive and diffless Frazer-Nashes, every peculiar home-brewed special imaginable and the odd 1920s Morgan or 10 litre 1903 Mercedes, all determined to reach the line first. Great fun, and much more exciting and unpredictable than anything offered at the top end of motorsport. And if you could bottle the smell, you could make a fortune :grin: .
  17. So true PatB. It seems that the amateur end of motorsport often creates the better racing.

    Part of the blame lies in the sheer amount of money in the sport, and the fact that the people SPENDING that money expect that more money = more wins, and more wins = more TV time.

    If they stop giving TV time to winners, then the advertisers will find more cost effective ways to spend their money. If they KEEP giving TV time to winners, they will keep spending money, keep their winning edge and keep creating boring racing. Go figure.

    Someone earlier mentioned A1. Yup, some VERY good racing going on there, but I can't bring myself to care. I don't know what it is, but somehow the fact that they are all identical has kinda taken the black magic out of it for me. :(

    The only quick solution that I can see is a dramatic restriction to aero downforce, which will allow cars to sit in another cars dirty air and still keep up, giving a much better shot at overtaking.

    Beyond that I really don't know.
  18. It must be a tightrope walk to balance the formula between a drivers formula and a manufacturers formula.

    If they try to make it too even then they inevitably quell development but if they allow too much development then the drivers contribute too little.

    I don't like the idea of reverse grids. I see it as a gimmick. Speedway does this, but that's a sport for knuckle dragging spectators.

    I have been an advocate of restricting or even completely removing wings. They certainly inhibit overtaking. It would bring brakes back into the equation too. The excuse of less advertising area is not good enough in my opinion. If anything that should also level the field.

    The idea of banning or restricting carbon fibre is an interesting one. I'm not sure it's that expensive these days in areas other than the monocoche. the problem is trying to eliminate it in that area would raise safety concerns. Maybe a sequential reduction in carbon fibre components would be worth trying.
  19. i actually think that the way it is now is quite good. the fact that i'm a mad Kubica and BMWSauber fan obviously has no influence...

    But the fact is, if you are after a specific type of racing, i.e. strategy not so important, lower aero grip etc, there are championships which cater for this, eg. indycar. if it was just about ultra-close racing, tip to tail, then everyone would watch V8 supercars or A1GP.

    I think that F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport, and should be treated as such. At the moment methinks that the rules have struck a good balance, especially with the removal of traction control. Next year's rule changes with regards to KERS and reduction of wake behind a car should improve the series even further, by encouraging more overtaking, but not removing the strategic aspect. I just dont like the talk of a powercap. Erm, so whats the point of competing then? But if the viewing public was just after wheel banging, ultra-close races, then indy (with its common engine/chassis clone cars) should be the number one.

    After last years ridiculously close championship (3 drivers still able to win it at the last race), and this year it seeming to be even closer, with more contenders from more teams (Kubica, Hamilton, Raikonnen, Massa and possibly even Kovalainen and Heidfeld if they get going), I cant really see F1 being considered boring anymore. Except for the banal, weedy-voiced, biased and generally totally rubbish commentary of James Allen.

    Go Kubica! :p
  20. Bring back Murray, So he's 84 he never did seem to have much of a grasp on where he was anyway...