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The Eternal Value of Privacy

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by darklightBoy, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. With all this talk of late about surveillance, CCTV and all that related crap; with the sides of "I don't want to be watched" countered by "If you're not doing anything wrong, what reason have you to be worried?"

    I came across this short spiel today. I agree with what the author's saying.


    The first comment below also makes a good point.

  2. The debate goes beyond this, in that surveillance is a means of societal control.
    Mass surveillance is already starting down the path of mass integration of data, that has allowed many companies (specialised in data mining and recognition technologies) to start building ‘behavioural’ models and algorithms. These are very dangerous, as they start to paint a highly influential picture of the ruling elite’s model of serfdom.
    It has been happening for a while now in the UK and Europe, where people minding their own business have been detained and questioned by government thugs because they have been suspected of ‘abnormal patterns’. Eg. Talking a walk at night. Standing too many times outside your favourite shop etc. etc.
    It is also part of a broader conditioning process to make the next generation of people feel that this is normal.
  3. Give government the tools, and they will use it. Happens everytime, everywhere.
  4. I agree totally with your viewpoint.
    I see no need for the sort of surveillance that is starting to become the focus of both government and business (In the form of data mining) Unfortunately the advocates of this sort of surveillance will point one hole in your argument. They will say that your privacy stops when you step outside your gate. Personally I think that is utter crap, but it is the argument we all have to answer if we want to defend our right to privacy outside of our own home.
  5. I have said it before and will state it again. I am not scared for the immediate future, the use of surveillance cameras to help reduce crime in known trouble spots is a reasonable use of technology. The application of use in trouble spots and around areas of concern such as tax avoidance and financial crimes is totally acceptable.

    Now the butt :butt: I am concerned that once we accept these measures [if we have not already] then we accept that we must have 24/7 ubiquitous monitoring of our population. We can imagine the screams of the mother of a child that drowned at a remote beach not because she wasn't watching but that someone else wasn't watching the beach :roll: . This happens already today, so more and more we get watched.

    Now fast forward 30 years and our kids are our age and SARs breaks out and we have martial law declared. Big Brother now has the tools to effectivly control and monitor the population.

    it is not today that I am worried about it is the future
  6. that is one of the best pieces of written text i have read regarding this debate.....and i completely agree with the whole thing too......fark off governement, i don't need uneducated/unskilled idiots making rules for to protect me from myself :evil:
  7. +1 dude!!
  8. protecting idiots from themselves only breeds stupidity,

    bring back dawinism and all will be well again
  9. It is fundamentally impossible to do something in private, in public. A 3rd class child could tell you that.
  10. That may be true Paul, but there's still different levels of "privacy." Sure people can see you when you're out in public, maybe watch you, but that's different to having everything to do tracked, catalogued, and profiled. That's the kind of invasion of privacy that I don't agree with. I'm not doing anything wrong, but I don't like the idea that a model is being made of what "normal" people do.
  11. See this is exactly what I was talking about.
    There is what is witnessed, and there is what is recorded and as DLB States "tracked, catalogued, and profiled"
  12. yep Paul as He is watching.

    Now there is a difference between you seeing someone do 65 in a 60 zone and the government automatically issuing me a fine in the mail for speeding.
  13. It's definitely a worrying trend and you just know it will be power that will be abused at some level.

    The new Ben Elton book 'Blind Faith' is about a world where privacy is illegal and everything in your life must be shared with everyone else.

    Today's Facebook/MySpace way of social interaction is heading that way I reckon! Decent book by the way but not as funny as some of his other stuff.
  14. #14 bullet21, Mar 2, 2008
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  15. #15 pringa8, Mar 2, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 13, 2015
    Ha ha, brilliant! but scary...