It gets kicked around all over the place, all the time. Let's see if we can finally beat the dead horse down to its component atoms and have them blow away on the wind so we don't have to do it again. So, gozbil, since you're the recent champion of the Hyos around here. I really, really hope you continue to love yours and that it runs perfectly for years for you. You're totally at liberty to report that. But I don't think you're at liberty to tell those who have had worse experiences that they shouldn't share them. Bottom line (for me, directed to everyone, not just gozbil) - it's a forum for sharing experiences and opinions. People have strong opinions about the Hyos, both pro and con, and will share them, and so they should. Trying to shut up the opposition (to me) just means you feel your own case is weak - else why can't it face up to the competition? There are all kinds of myths floating around on both sides, like 'it was only the early ones' and 'it was poor maintenance' and 'they're Suzukis' and so on, and there are issues with service and support that are separate from the issues with the bikes themselves but still important to a potential owner. Anyway, put on yer tights and yer Strong Bad mask and Get In The Ring!!!