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Test rides

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' at netrider.net.au started by ashes, Jan 10, 2005.

  1. what is the general accepted etiquite for test rides from private sellers and dealers. (eg. escorted, proof of finance, identification etc.)? I will soon be going through this and haven't really done the test ride thing on a bike before.

  2. Just remember,
    "you break it you bought it rule" will apply

    Private sales are murky.
    You can get some people who will throw you the keys and let you ride it round the block.
    Others will demand to see 500 pieces of ID and for you to leave a deposit and your first born as security.
    Dealers will usually get you to sign an insurance form stating you will be paying the $1000-2000 excess and pay any speeding fines you may incur as well.
    If you do prang the bike and it isn't your fault you will still be subject to the excess but you then chase the other party for the money.
    It can be a hassle but remember common sense and a mature attitude will get you far.
    If a dealer doesn't want you to test ride their bike then you don't want to buy it from them.
  3. I have just renewed my insewerance policy and reading through the new one I found that the bike is not insured if stolen while being test riden for sale. That would color my view on tossing someone the keys for sure...

    And i agree if you cant test ride from a dealer then find a more reasonable dealer. Unless there is a good reason like your not licensed or something like that..
  4. When I was shopping for my bike I found dealer attitudes to giving a learner a test ride varied somewhat.

    Some dealers simply wouldn't let me test a bike ("our insurance doesn't cover it"). At least A1 in Ringwood were happy for me to try out their bikes - ok, I had to sign a "you-bend-it-you-pay-for-it" agreement but that's reasonable as far as I'm concerned. And it's much better than a flat "no". There's no way I'd buy a second-hand bike without riding it first.
  5. Likewise. I too found A1 were quite good, letting me ride a few of their bikes. Top Gear in Frankston were also great - gave me a shit bike to test ride out the back first, to demonstrate I could ride, then let me take my pick :)

    Brighton Kawasaki wasn't interested in letting me ride at all. Peter Stevens did, but it took a good bit of persuading, and it was escorted. *shrugs* I think they all made me sign a $2-2.5k excess form. :p
  6. Thats actually a really good idea from the store - quickest and easiest way to ensure their nice shiny bikes aren't damaged by someone who is out of practise or otherwise under-skilled.

    I figure that before I go shopping for a new bike, I'll make sure I do a track day or some-such thing on a larger capacity bike - that way I won't be new to a more powerful bike - I can make all those mistakes, etc under controlled conditions before I go shopping.

    Ashes, for private sales, taking your bike obviously shows you can ride, but if you take along a car and hand over the keys first, you may find the people are happier about a test ride - that way they have a better guarantee you're coming back with their bike. You could also consider letting them come with you - if they don't have another bike, they could ride yours if you were cool with that.
  7. I wouldn't be too confident about just getting a set of car keys from someone who is coming to test ride your bike. The licence would be better.

    Just got back from Adelaide. A friend was telling me a story about his mate selling his motorbike. The prospective buyer came to test ride the bike. The buyer handed over his car keys to the motorbike owner. The buyer then pissed off with the motorbike. The car was stolen.
  8. Just heard a similar story from one of the dealers in Elizabeth Street. Apparently some guy rocked up in a brand new Monaro (which he left the keys for) to test ride an R1. Bike and rider disappeared. Turns out the Monaro was also being taken for a test drive (under a fake licence) I would have thought that the car dealership would have someone in the car during the test drive but hey, this is only what I was told.
  9. I've test-driven new cars without a sales guy riding shotgun.

    Depends on the dealer, I reckon.
  10. I had to laugh, last November I test drive a second hand cage (a $16,000 Pulsar) & had to have a sales guy ride shotgun. After this I went over the road to a Nissan dealership & they let me test drive a brand spanking new maxima (RRP $40K) and all they did was write down my licence number.

    I am still at a loss why a second hand dealer had to accompany me except to try the hard sell as I was driving by going on about how great she handles and how quick she is, etc.
  11. A big rap for A1 in Brighton also...very helpful and no hassle getting a demo ride.

    In fact, they let me take a K1200RS to Warragul and back a month or so ago! Sadly, I decided not to buy it but they were happy to offer me other bikes anytime.

    I did sign the waiver form but I reckon that's fair!

    While I was there they were organising one of their guys to escort a nervous new rider on a demo Hyosung. The escort chose a used CB250 to ride so as not to intimidate the L-plater...well done, I say!

    I think the best thing to do at a dealer is look at the bike you are interested in and then make an appointment to come back and ride it. Seems to give the sales people a little more confidence in you as a prospect.

    BMW at Southbank are very helpful with demos as well. But you really do have to go the appointment route with them, in my experience!
  12. If buying. I took along a trusted friend who was fully licenced when I bought my bike. He was able to look it over in the shop, then take it out the back and put its through its 'early' paces (up to 3rd - about 30kph on the CB250N). He then took it on the road for about 5 mins. He had to sign the paperwork and it would have been him out of pocket if the bike was pranged but I would have helped him through that if that had eventuated.
    I got Swann Insurance the other day and it also states that the bike is not covered if stolen while being test ridden.
    If selling, possibly better to trade into dealer (providing dealer will take it) and the deal is reasonable as will get a lot less than a private sale but will potentially avoid some of the hassles.
    Try and get the money out of a bloke that prangs your bike while test riding and you don't have the backing of a multi-billion dollar insurance giant. Happened to a friend of mine, a bloke wrote his $5000 bike off while test riding. Took five months to go to court (all the while he didn't have his bike or a replacement as not covered by insurance while testing for sale) then once it got to court bloke claimed he couldn't pay, so judge said had to pay $50/week (two years to pay money back) and every second week bloke missed the payment. Eventually went back to court, judge of course ordered bloke to repay plus arrears. Bloke made up payments and then after couple of months went back to missing every second payment. A complete and utter disaster/nightmare.
  13. As an L plater, Peter Stevens in Adelaide pretty much said no. I got the impression the only way I would be able to try a second hand 250cc bike out was if I stated clearly that they had a sale only if I got to ride it. And even then, it would probably only be in their back alley. They claimed their insurance didn't cover L platers. They had the exact bike I wanted ready to go that day so I took it on faith.

    Not sure if it is the same thing for dealers but I found it to be about 50/50 regarding insurance companies taking into account the L plates. CGU accepted my motorcar rating one with only a learner excess for the bike. Others would only give me the worst rating. One company even said that regardless of how good my car rating was, or how long I had been riding, they would only ever give me a rating 5 on the bike!

  14. Actually when I was L's looking for Scooter, I have been to A1 Ringwood, Peter Stevens (city& Ringwood) and Yamaha on Flemington rd. I got no problem with A1 and Yamaha, even they asked me to test ride it, if I have a licence, L's will do, I can go for test ride.

    But Peter Stevens, they never mention about test ride, because even they don't want to serve me!! :evil: they pretent didn't see me came in the shop. Maybe I just don't look like a person who will ride a bike/scooter. Hey! Is that mean they can treat customer like that?
  15. Scootergal76
    I had htat problem with CLipdtone Yamaha in Ringwood. Whem I was buying my bike I didn't know that a second hand bike didn't come iwth a statutory warranty. So I tried to get the attention of one of the Sales guy (only one in the shop at the time). I asked him what does it mean that the bike comes with no statutuory warranty, he said, quote 'It means that they come with no statutory warranty' well derrr. His attitude sucked, had a very nice SR250 that I was willing to pay cash for, but after that I was well p***ed and took my business elsewhere
  16. I was in A1 in Ringwood the other day, the guy I spoke to (Glenn I think) was happy to let me go for a test ride on pretty much any 2nd hand bike that took my fancy, even though I'm a few months from being off my 250cc restriction. I didn't at the time (not ready to buy) but I'll be paying them another visit in a couple of months.
  17. I can also confirm both A1 in Ringwood and Top Gear were great places to look for bikes when coming off your 250. I went to both places to just have a look. At both I saw bikes that I was interested in, but wasn't quite ready to buy. I admitted in both places that I hadn't ridden anything but a 250 before and their responses - "gotta try sometime!". I also admitted that I wasn't ready to buy, but they still kept encouraging me to try out some of their bikes (and they kept going back to the 'gotta try' with the addition of 'when you do start seriously looking you will have a better idea exactly what you are after, and hopefully you will come back').

    Both places required signing of a contract of $2000 excess, and kept hold of my bike license while I was out riding.
  18. A1 in brighton were brilliant when it came to test riding for my first bike a couple of years back. I am now off restrictions (as of last saturday YEAH!!!) and will definetly be going back to A1 as well as making the trip to ringwood. Thanks for those suggestions!
  19. Yeah!!!! Clipstone Yamaha in Ringwood is helpless as well! I went with my friends to have a look those 250cc sport bike on Sunday. They let me sit on it, (if even don't let me sit on, then I hope their business will close very soon!) but becasue of my height, some of the bikes I am only just toe touch the gound, and I asked the guy would those bikes can be Low down, he just don't want to answer me and said"No, none of them can be low it down", even not want to suggest I might able to trim the seat a bit or so on.

    And their 2 nd hand bikes look pretty rough and old but not cheap!!!

    So they stated "no statutory warranty" I assume their bikes would have problem just after you bought and pick it up. Then they don't take any respond for that!

    I heard that "RAY" in the city on Elizabeth st, after you bought the bike from them, anything happend, they will still fit it for you, but that will take long long time....... and lot of excess about not cover with the warranty. Same as "Sumoto". But I just heard from the others I met from HART for my P's and practice sessions.
  20. Clipstone Yamaha in Ringwood were fine with me last year.

    Phoned up to ask them about test riding an FZ1 which I took out with one of their sales guys leading the way. When I got back to the shop I didn't get any 'hard sell' BS, I just gave the keys back and that was that.