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Study or Work?

Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by boro_baba, Jul 4, 2008.

  1. Hey guys,



    Im thinking of going back to Uni full-time to finish of my Business I.T course at the start of next year and work part time where I currentley am (Team Leader 4 Telstra).

    I was thinking of getting into web page design. Wondering If any of you have experience in this feild and know what the money is like.

    Anyone know what the money is like? How long are the courses to get qulified? Is there a high demand for this job?
     
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  2. Every 14 year old boy with his Frontpage home PC is a web designer these days......

    Go do some searching on seek. Whirlpool also has an IT job board.

    I wouldn't bother.....
     
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  3. You don't want to be a "web designer", you want to be part of a big company's "Online Marketing Team".


    It's the exact same work, but the pay is better.
     
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  4. Hi BB,

    If you have design and graphic skills there is work out there but you need to hustle for it. A lot of web design companies will not look at a job under $1k so if you feel you can work in that lower end of the market then you can make some spare cash.

    Management of customer expectations, and getting a full and thorough brief from the customer beforehand are the two major points that many people fall down on. This means they get called back over and over to tweak a font, colour layout etc. At the low end of the market customers expect you to do all these changes at your expense not theirs so you can quickly use up any profitability on a job. So my advice is:

    1: Meet the customer face to face or by phone and fully discuss their requirements.
    2: Send them a document that fully describes your understanding of what they want and get them to approve it. Provide a time frame for first draft and completion. Provide fixed costs for completion and any costs for changes after final implementation.
    3: Publish a first draft to a location the customer can review and then get them to approve the work done and list any changes required. Get their change requests in writing.
    4: Publish the final site, request the customers final approval and send your account in quick succession.

    Hope that helps, Good luck.
     
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  5. Start researching ppc (pay per click) ad campaigns, keyword research, competitive intelligence and other SEO related subjects if you want to head ktulu's suggested path.

    (I used to work in SEO / online marketing industry)
     
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  6. I study full time at uni and do web development (ie, i write the code, the functionality, and don't muck around with what colour combination looks better) contractually. Money depends on what your clients are willing to pay and how much experience you have. For what I do, with 3 years experience doing it, I charge $100/hr

    However, if you want to do design you'll need a portfolio first, build one up with some designs, even if they're not for real sites.
     
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  7. +1 to all of that.

    I study digital media and do websites on the side. As I'm doing it for portfolio work I charge bugger all, eg. 200-600 depending on what they want. Following the guidelines that are posted above will help you alot. I do almost all of that exactly and its necessary. Keep in mind that even small web design companies charge aroudn 2k for a relatively basic website. Websites that I charge 500 for might take me 60 hours to complete once I mess around with everything to get it working properly. So that $ per hour is tiny, but I enjoy what I'm doing and I'm just doing it for some extra cash, fun, to learn, and for my portfolio.
     
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  8. THIS from the letters column of the latest edition of PC Authority (reproduced without permission :LOL:)

    In the July issue of PC Authority, the impression Yohan Ramasundara seems to give about the ICT industry is a positive one. Working in the industry for nearly a year now, I strongly disagree with that view -as do university friends also in the field. Basically, be prepared to work long hours for little pay. Experienced staff get the flick, or move on, whilst you are left to pick up the slack. The industry is always volatile. Industry analysts, the Federal Government and businesses are oviously trying to attract people into the industry by throwing some money around, And I don't blame them for trying, but you won't see much of it at the end of every working day. ICT is a dead-end - except for those willing to work out of a garage and build a brand name from virtually nothing.

    HASH
     
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  9. Talk about generalising......

    Just take a look at some of the salaries offered for these jobs:

    SAP consultants....
    Vmware engineers....
    Network engineers.....
    Virtualization architects...
    Storage specialists ....


    Of course you just can't walk into a high paying IT job without having done the hard yards to get the experience first......
     
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  10. i remember making websites with notepad in 1997.
    i did it for fun, then ventured out and made a profitable PPV site promoting a skimpy barmaid from kalgoorlie.
    the market was cut-throat and volatile then. now with every man and his dog able to make a site in under an hour, i wouldnt even bother learning how...
     
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  11. Try telling that too my friend, and he's still in uni :LOL:
     
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  12. But I thought you were about to pick up a career pressing license plates boro? :p
     
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  13. You stole my line.
     
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  14. Bluesuede is a thief

    Rog is still a bully
     
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  15. And have a lawyer (any IT Lawyer will do) draw up a "template" contract that covers at a minimum:
    (i) Confidential info (if any)
    (ii) who owns what (design, code etc..)
    (iii) The scope and whats in/out (critical)
    (iv) Payment terms
    (v) Support / ongoing work

    Doesn't have to be big / complex, but it saves a whole heap of angst when it all goes to crap, and it does.
    I've done a similar agreements for small web site developers previously and they can pay themselves off with one job!
     
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  16. +1. Two mates of mines got through uni doing this sort of stuff. Especially since they were only asking a fraction of the price of what "professionals" charge. Now they've finished and while at first it was fun for them to do local bands and helping retirees not quite retire, they'd had enough.

    If design is your thing - maybe lean towards program or game designing?
     
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  17. work and study..

    best combo imo, tahts what i'm working towards n e way, pick a good uni course, uni ftw.

    try working full time for a bit then pick up 2 uni subjects, if you can find you can easily cope withthe workload (usually the case) pick up another 2, now your working and studying full time, make the money while getting benefits of being a student, however this can be damaging to your social/sporting life if you aitn good at time management O_O,
     
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