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Speed zone rethink in Victoria

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' started by Mouth, Dec 23, 2005.

  1. A start towards some common sense here in Vic ....

    SPEED limit buffer zones around country towns and urban fringes would be dropped under plans before the State Government.

    Hundreds of 80km/h zones would be raised to 100km/h.

    And controversial 40km/h zones outside schools would be restricted to daylight hours, according to plans seen by the Herald Sun.

    The proposed changes follow public anger over the slowing of traffic in Melbourne and confusion over the maze of different speed zones around the state.

    Speed limits on some roads change as many as 10 times in a 6km stretch.

    The government's Speed Limits Advisory Group has recommended changes to approaches to towns and built-up areas where motorists are required to slow from 100km/h to 80 to 60.

    The plan proposes they continue at 100km/h until they hit the 60km/h zone.

    New "60 AHEAD" signs would replace the old 80km/h signs.

    The changes would mirror the system in place in New South Wales.

    They would be put into place from late next year if approved by Transport Minister Peter Batchelor.

    Mr Batchelor, who commissioned the speed limit review, is still considering the recommendations, his spokeswoman said.

    RACV public policy manager Ken Ogden, a member of the review group, said the changes would dramatically cut the Government's speed camera revenue.

    He said motorists were tired of being fined when the speed limits were complex and confusing.

    "It's important to get the public back on side. The public attitude is that it's all entrapment. It's just gone completely crazy," he said.

    Under the changes, permanent 40km/h limits at many school zones would only apply during school hours.

    Super-sized 40km/h signs would be erected at some schools and speed limits painted on roads.

    A source said the changes would cost more than $40 million.

    A government website states community concern as the reason for the speed limit review.

    "Why are they being reviewed? It is vital that all speed zones are safe, effective and easily understood. The community has expressed some concern about some aspects of speed zones," the site says.

    Premier Steve Bracks has previously said concerns had been raised that frequent changes in speed zones could cause confusion.

  2. Most people do that already anyway. That's why rural cops love putting speed traps in the 80 zones.
  3. I hope the WA gummint takes note. On the Graham Farmer freeway in Perth the posted limit is 80kph, the WA Police have recommended that it be raised to 90kph, and the Government has refused. What price road safety as a factor?
  4. But now Mr Bracks will have concerns about the possible loss of revenue.
  5. Nah, there'll still be those people that don't start to slow down till they actually hit the 60 zone (can't do less than 100 in a 100 zone) so a few strategically placed cameras will still bring in the revenue.
  6. Ne'er a truer word spoken.

    The 40kph around schools though during "daylight hours" doesn't help much.

    In the summer-time in Victoria, when all the school are out, "daylight" is typically 17hrs a day if we include the hour long dawns and twilights during high summer when everyone's on holiday. "Daylight hours" effectively covers all the hours when 99% of people drive anywhere anyway, even when there's no school. What constitutes "daylight" anyway in the nebulous dawn/twilight hours? You can be sure the road police will be happy to set up in those hours to, er, uh, "enforce road safety".

    If they said 8am-6pm on weekdays, for school 40kph zones, it'd make consistent sense.
  7. Simple...
    GIANT illuminated signs with the applicable posted speed limit outside every school they deem it necessary to limit the speed near. No quirky time restraints... no confusion if it's a school holiday.
  8. Ive been working on a system to make school zones and the times they operate visible. RTA aren't interested though, their smug reply is that they will just install more speed cameras and fine people instead. Sickening really that the people in charge of road safety have that attitude.
    Local councils are very interested though, they don't get speed revenue and actually care about protecting the local kids.

    All speed revenue should be removed from the states and sent to the federal government instead. Then the states would start concentrating on safety not profit.
  9. The ideas posted for flashing lights, etc. around school zone speed limits are good. It'd make FAR more sense if the school or perhaps even the people who supervise and man the crossings turned them on and off as required. That way, the motorists are under no confusion as to whether it's 40 km/h or whatever.

    But will they take up the idea? And the answer's based on cost effectiveness - not relative safety.
  10. Unless they are changing the roadscape to make it safer are they going to apologise and refund all the tickets they issued in those areas? Changing them on a whim just proves many of our speed limits have nothing to do with safety, or raising them would surely cost lives! Every K over is a killer, right?

    Maybe they'll do it just in time for the election to offset any bad press they are getting about speed cameras. If they were a retail store, this would be their equivalent of a stocktake sale. Give them a few months and they'll put them back down and start cashing in again.
  11. still doesn't addrees where the speed in sububia changes frequently over a small distance both up and down and up and down and up and down and up!!!!!

    r u confused yet?

    good, lets put a speed camera there

    most of us slow anyway when we approach a country town so the 60 ahead is a waste. now most of us will zoom into the 60 area over the limit ready for the cop with the radar or the camera
  12. nearly a good idea.............. but why the w@nkers in Canberra as opposed to the w@nkers in <insert your state capital here>?

    Why not straight to the public hospital system of <insert yuour state here>

  13. What concerns me most, is the acronym for the review group.

    Otherwise known as SLAG, which to my knowledge is a waste byproduct in many industries.
    Does not bode well in my mind.
  14. Because the Feds don't position the cameras and aren't responsible for the road safety. State is still responsible for road safety but don't get to see any revenue, so they would have to find ways of making the roads safer that actually work.
    Everyone knows cameras are a scam, they do nothing for safety, just act as tax collectors.
    It just lets the financial penalties remain, but removes the conflict of interest.

    Its like how they say drug company's aren't interested in curing disease, they prefer treatment. Cure the problem and you only get paid once. Treat it and you are guaranteed constant income.
    The government doesn't want to cure speed, just keep profiting from it.

    Fed could use the money for black spots, alternative fuel research, medicare for accident victims, etc.

    Going straight to the hospitals just means the Govt would give them less from other sources. The hospitals would still have the exact same budget, the state govt would just piss the extra money away through their inefficiency as they currently do.
    NSW government has been busy selling everything to private company's and paying for nothing, yet they have still managed a massive deficit, they are going bankrupt.
  15. I like the idea of revenue going to the federal government. To keep the states honest, bonuses could be paid from the revenue collected (up to and possibly even the full amount) for reductions in crashes and fatalities. That way, the state governments lose their instant cash rewards from speed cameras, but gain it back by improving roads and putting programs in place to educate motorists.

  16. Need to remove any and all reward aspect for ALL forms of government. The federal government idea sounds good now, but just wait until the feds get drunk on the income, then grow to rely upon it, and start doing the exact same thing that the state governments are doing today, except they'll be even worse because the feds really don't give a crap about any local safety issues.

    Fines and penalties should all go towards charity, including charitable organisations providing home assistance for road trauma victims, and towards picking up the holes in the social security safety net that the goverments can't be bothered filling, and having it being done by people independent of speed fine based kick-backs.

    Only then will this sick cycle of speed based revenue raising by governments be broken, and only then will they actually start paying attention to issues that actually fix safety problems.
  17. Hate to say it but I think the staggered speed reduction is better than the "Sh1t it's a 60 zone" you get in NSW.

    Another thing I don't like is the fact that ALL the towns that haven't been bypassed on the Hume in NSW have 50 zones through the CBD part of the towns. FFS it's the busiest highway in Australia people.

    I read somewhere several years ago that all 4 lane suburban divided roads are supposed to be 70 zones & those with service lanes are supposed to be 80 zones but I can quote amny example that aren't.

    I haven't got a problem with suburban side roads having a permanent 40km/h limit but the larger through roads should've kept their original 60 limit. Then again I'm older and possibly wiser than some on here when it comes to understanding things like kids & pets running out in front of a fast moving car.