I apologise in advance for the gross generalisations i make below but it's on my mind so i'm gonna say it. Reading Tanyathecheeky's thread about her friend who had the serious accident recently i was struck by the fact that that's the fourth woman i know of who's had an intensely serious accident in the last 6 months resulting in massive injury or death. lots of blokes seem to have accidents too some of which of course are very serious but many of which seem to result in a few broken bones and then they're off and running again. this is highly likely to be a distortion by me because i take note of women's accidents more than men's. none-the-less, four women i know, or know of, in about 6 months isn't a good. it occurs to me that more and more women are taking up motorcycling for reasons ranging from fun to petrol prices to meeting blokes (hey, it worked for me! :wink: ). having said that, i feel that: 1. the training that we get in our Ls & Ps tests is inadequate to deal with what we then face on the roads and 2. the 'i can ride faster than you' attitude of many guys is infectious and means that we too often ride outside our comfort zone. i am not suggesting these are the reasons for any of the girls' accidents in question. i don't know the circumstances well enough in any of the cases to make that call. i do know however that my personal training prior to doing my Ps and then getting my bike was pretty minimal though enough to pass. it was then up to me to pursue further training which i did, but it costs a lot and not everyone does it. and meanwhile it took me 2-3 years to finally decide that trying to ride faster in the hope of one day 'keeping up' wasn't for me, f*k you all, i'll take it at my own pace. meanwhile, i was damn lucky there weren't any cars coming down the opposite lane when i ran wide trying to go faster up bulla to name but just one occassion. i've also become aware that a number of women, like me (albeit by no means all), find the whole process of learning to ride enormously nerve-wracking to start with, despite the lure and promise of freedom and fun to come. and a little extra training could help the confidence and therefore fun come earlier. so: 1. should there be more mandatory training for all learners? 2. Should there be specialised training for women that's as much about choosing your own attitude as it is about physical skills? 3. am i full of crap?