Hi all, putting this up for discussion just for interest sakes. But is anyone else seeing all these 'cross over' or 'soft roader' bikes, similar to the likes of Rav4s, VW Tigwuns etc. All with their varying degree of relevance. That V4 Xcross thingo that honda has just brought out is a good example. 2x different tiger 800s as well? So what do people think of these style bikes? I haven't ridden any of them, so my opinion isn't worth bugger all. I'm just interested to see what others think, and what the point of them is. The Xcross thing really got me, as its ugly as sin, and really can't go off road more than any other bike can. But the riding position is allegedly good. So why not make it look good, but with the same riding posy? Unless you are trying to sell something that it isn't. Ie, soft roader. Obviously they aren't like your Rav4 style vehicle, which don't go off road, and just block vision for people in cars, and bikes. They are still a bike, so they can't instill the same hatred a typical soft roader 'driver' should receive.