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Seems the Greeks have had enough

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Takamii, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Do you think they could have squeezed the word Socialist in a couple of more times...

    new.com Fox New by any other name...
  2. they have LOOSE bums to :)
  3. scary picture

    someone must be rich, what with the cost of petrol these days 'n all :LOL:
  4. It's hard to believe the arrogant stupidity of people. Wait, we are about to go completely bankrupt, we've been living a self-destructive and nationally destructive lifestyle for the last however many generations. We need to change that and get with the program. Here is a solution that will help and quite possibly save us. It involves actually working, dropping unemployment, slashing welfare packages and reduced government spending.

    Nah screw that we gonna riot.

  5. So how do you explain the situation in Ireland where it is the private banks who went belly up that the Government is bailing out with taxpayer money ?

    What about iceland - it was the banks that went belly up from their speculation - not the people - they had a few peacefull shows of force to say

    "we will not bail out the world financial elite" and iceland is on the way back very quickly

    they made the greedy banks pay for their own mistakes
  6. And...? It's well established greece went bely up through gross overspending and privileges in the public sector.

    The recovery plan the Greek Gov has is a good one, but the people don't want a bar of it.
  7. And the lesson from this is...

    Don't piss off Smee! :)
  8. I'm suspicious. First they go bankrupt, then they have a fire. Coincidence? :D.

  9. how little you know about the situation in Greece.

  10. Not quite, that's one of the excuses to cover up gross corruption by the previous government.
    The people who are pissed off are the next generation of people who were not the cause of this, but they will be the ones who will be most affected.
    They are understandable angry.
  11. personally I like that they express their anger the way they do - this country would be along the lines "oh - okay - I guess thats that then - nothing we can say or do - lets go to the pub then"
  12. +1. Although there's nothing like getting royally screwed over to make people sit up and take interest...

    What interests me is that its a social-democratic party in government implementing a neo-liberal reform agenda imposed by the IMT and other Eurozone countries. Papandreou seems totally hamstrung by the situation and feels that, now it has accepted the loans, it has no room to move to accommodate the youth on this issue.

    This makes it a very interesting situation. At other times in history, the depth of ill feeling and its pervasiveness amongst the population would mean that a revolution was on the cards. But I'm not sure that is the case here, in spite of the fact that the students, and many of the unions, are anarchist, socialist and communist in flavour. I'm not sure that the rest of the population would follow them down the path of revolution, given the history of eastern Europe over the last 75 years. (Of course, socialism doesn't need to be like that, but its still the image of socialism that people have in their heads.) It's just too soon.

    If social movements (which just want to change the direction of the country, rather than take control for themselves) don't have the potential of to turn into a revolutionary movement (which actually want to take comprehensive control), and the government feels it can't moderate its own position and accommodate at lest some of their wishes, its an impasse AFAIKS.

    One of the problems is that, unlike Iceland, they don't have their own currency, which could be devalued to help kick-start the economy. Repaying the loads in the present situation is going to take a lifetime.

    Will the youth radicalise into fully fledged revolutionary movement or will they will give up and leave as economic migrants into the rest of Europe? The rest of Europe wont want that, but do they want to avoid it enough to write significant amounts off the debt? The IMF will kick and scream at this prospect, citing moral risk, because it's worried about Spain, Portugal and Italy. But what else is the option? Perhaps Greece will secede from the European Union in order to re establish its own currency, which will be interesting, because what's Europe's image of itself without Greece?

    Interesting times!
  13. Greece was never a communist country, it fought a civil war in order to stay out of the eastern bloc.
  14. I'll concede that. It much more likely too.
    Sure their angry and yes they have some right to be. But when you're a few billion in debt and need to get the economy turning around pronto, throwing fireworks and destroying anything in reach isn't the best way of doing that.

    The current Gov is legitimately trying to get things happening.

  15. The anger will dissipate in time but they are the ones who will wear all the hardship.
    It's the first time in a very long time that the preceding generation will be significantly worse off than their parents.
    You may see it in the cold hard light of day (naively imho)
    They have to live through it.
    I'd be fukn angry too.
    I wish WE were more passionate in protesting things that affect us here.
    Despite all this what happens in Greece is not a revolution but rather, a reaction to the world of reality that the lifestyle they were accustomed to is no more and that short term pain for long term gain will be the outcome.
    Just look at this then compare it to the middle east and what's happening there with THEIR anti government protests.
  16. I never intended to imply that they were. One of my favourite philosophers escaped to France after fighting on the loosing side.
  17. Bring back the Drachma ?-- why not -Germany is making overtones to return to the deutsch marke

    this is why I like Nigel Farang the UKIP MEP -- he sticks it to the whole euro parliament big time every chance he gets - its entertaining t watch on youtube
  18. Oh, don't be so certain. Not in this country, that's for sure though.
    Certainly not a revolution, just a protest. That's what I think makes it so dumb i guess, it's just protesting change even though the change is inevitable. Now the middle east is much different. They are protesting because they want change from a tyrannical dictator.

    Smee, how much difference is there between standard greek culture and Byzantine, and where do the lines cross?
  19. the Greek ethos has been continuous since ancient times.
    They have always squabbled amongst themselves yet are passionate about their ethnicity.
    Being at the cross roads between east and west means invaders etc have always targeted them so this is why they have remained rather resolute and extremely passionate. Hence the large protests.
    It is in the Greek ethos to always be passionate about changes to their way of life.
    No different in ancient times Byzantine times and modern times.