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Right let's talk leather

Discussion in 'New Riders and Riding Tips' at netrider.net.au started by Not4Resale, Nov 26, 2008.

  1. Okay now I've been a pissant tossbag textile fanboy for a couple of years now and I've had enough. Two offs, ripped up jacket, overworn boots and draggins that smell worse than my infant niece's bottom.

    I want leathers.

    I want to thrash it at the track so a two piece suit is what I'm thinking. I'm aware of the crap that comes along with that and I've read quite a bit into what makes a better suit and what makes a worse suit. I am however at a loss as to where the hell to begin with my search and what I should be going for.

    I've looked on ebay and I've obviously found some cheap crap on there, they have a custom suit for less than 800 bucks. I have no idea about the quality etc. but the shop is located in Syd so i'm hoping they will let me go in and inspect the goods first hand.
    For this can i get some opinions from either people who have worn a custom suit or otherwise have an opinion.

    Next I have gone into my favourite gear shops and had a poke around. These include Sydney city Kogarah, Cycle City Taren Pt and Bike Biz Parramatta.
    If anyone has any other suggestions of shops they will be dually noted (preferably in the southern sydney area). Also an opinion on buying from a store would be appreciated.

    Any other info on this particular topic would be great. I'll now go on to describe my prerequisites so that you guys will have a better idea of my price range, usage etc.



    My main riding has been getting to uni and back but I want to throw some fun days at the track into the mix. I will be wearing the leather jacket on my commute rides and getting another set of riding jeans. I had some wet weather gear but it got torn to shreds in a slide so I'll be getting a rain jacket/pants and a set of overboots to sit at the bottom of my bag for when the need arises.

    I like to save money where saving money is due but don't want to get a suit that rips apart at the seams so I'll sound off my budget and give you guys a better idea of what I'm looking at.

    2pc Suit: Up to $1500 but hoping to find something around the $1000 mark or lower if someone here knows something i don't :)

    New boots: $300-500, was looking at the SIDI boots but if anyone has a better suggestion it will be noted

    Oh and obviously my rainwear which I like to slap over all my clothing: $160

    If there's anything I missed please point it out and if I posted in the wrong forum I will slaughter a cow to appease the moderator gods :wink:

    Thanks :grin:

    Oh and if there is some magical way to save a tonne of money please do tell as I am one of the cheapest bastards you can meet. (however I do still want top notch protection so take that into account when telling me about the amazing savings at the two dollar shop)
     
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  2. Well, I bought a cheap Rhino 1-piece off Ebay (think it was under $500 delivered before the AU$ went into freefall) and I couldn't be happier with it. Haven't crashed in it yet but have no real qualms about doing so given the quality of the leather and the construction of the seams.

    It's a bit heavy and stiff is all, but that should ease with wear and familiarity.

    Sizing was spot on working from their charts.
     
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  3. I got something from RST with a RRP of about $1000. The zips are shithouse, otherwise it's not bad. Look for YKK zips, I have no idea why people bother with anything else.
     
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  4. try collins leathers on e-bay
     
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  5. Yeh i think those are the blokes i found before, are they the ones located in tempe?

    Also I found a Berik suit for a grand. Any reviews on this? Apparrently quite a new line, looked pretty good when i saw it but forgot to check if it's up to EU standards so not sure about it all yet.

    I have had a salesman tell me not to bother with custom leathers but I'm skeptical of his motives as he would have all to gain from me buying from the store opposed to another store which makes custom.... Hence why I wanted a wee bit of advice on the topic as i really don't know piss all about what I should be getting. I've read a tonne of crap but in reality it only prepares you minimally for the actual brunt of the transaction so I figure I might as well ask for a bit of advice from a good bunch of people. :wink:
     
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  6. Yeh i think those are the blokes i found before, are they the ones located in tempe?

    Also I found a Berik suit for a grand. Any reviews on this? Apparrently quite a new line, looked pretty good when i saw it but forgot to check if it's up to EU standards so not sure about it all yet.

    I have had a salesman tell me not to bother with custom leathers but I'm skeptical of his motives as he would have all to gain from me buying from the store opposed to another store which makes custom.... Hence why I wanted a wee bit of advice on the topic as i really don't know piss all about what I should be getting. I've read a tonne of crap but in reality it only prepares you minimally for the actual brunt of the transaction so I figure I might as well ask for a bit of advice from a good bunch of people. :wink:
     
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  7. Berik is quality gear going by the condition of my few-year-old two-piece. Comfy and yes, it'll hold up in a slide. Bikebiz have started importing it now too.
     
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  8. I know you're in Syd, but for others reference I went into PS in the city and they have racks of brand name leathers there. Some 1pc and 2pc quality suites for < $1000.
     
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  9. Alright $600 bucks on ebay for a custom suit from Gosford or like $350 for something marked down. Should I be avoiding like the plague? Things like this look great to a rear pocketly challenged individual but I don't really want to comprimise stiching for cash. If anyone feels like browsing through the ebay stuff, some feedback on here would be appreciated.

    It looks fine to me on the net but I really do like to feel things out before i fork over my hard earned cash and i really do want a descent suit.

    Oh and i don't know if i mentioned, brand names mean piss all to me. If i get a suit that works well I don't care what it's called.
     
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  10. How about Joe Rocket GPX Type R two piece suit for $750 delivered?
     
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  11. I've just been reading a draft report on protective clothing. Something in it which hadn't occurred to me before is toxicity.

    Much of the leather processed in parts of Asia (specifically in Pakistan) is done using chemicals which are banned from use in other parts of the world. It's not about the processing as such but about the residues left in the leather and the dyes used to colour it. These often contain assorted nasties.

    Much of the cheaper imported gear ending up in stores here, even if it's well made, is banned in Europe because of this issue. Generally the processing of leather using various toxic substances and colouring is not allowed in Australia, however there are no bans or tests carried out on the imported gear.

    By the way, the CE standard only applies to the armour - not to the actual leather or fabric. There are some German certifications but these are not "standards" as such.

    VMAC is investigating the possibility of establishing a "star" rating for protective clothing so that there will be some guidance available for consumers. If it were to be feasible it would include issues such as strength, toxicity and overall fitness for use. We have some distance to go before knowing if it's feasible or how it would be rated. But there is the capacity to actually carry out proper testing in Australia at non-prohibitive costs.
     
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  12. I bought an Alpine Star 2 piece suit - Seems to be very good quality, but i dont know how it will hold up in a spill (dont ever want to find out either).

    When i was doing my research into leathers i came accrss a brand called
    Hideout. They are a UK company that specialises in custom suits.

    They are considerably more expensive, but have come out very well in a comparison done by Ride Magazine, they also use Forcefield armour in the usual areas (as apposed to memory foam) and meet all the relevant CE Standards for protective clothing (i.e. not just CE armour).

    That said, i chose A* because it was heavily discouted as i bought all my gear at once with the bike, and my size is changing fairly quickly at the moment (no not in a bad way :p ), and i didn't want to commit to such an expense if it wouldn't fit me in 6 months. It is on the cards for the future though.

    DBT Leathers in Yagoona and Tiger Angel were two other options i considered - also heard good things about them while i was looking.

    Not true, there are a few European CE standards for motorcycle rider protective clothing (i.e. Leathers, etc) that have specifications for things such as Abrassive Resistance, Burst Strength, Tear Strength...:

    EN 13595-1
    EN 13595-4
    etc...
     
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  13. Not all custom fits are created equal, but if you get one measured and made properly it will be bloody fantastic.

    Gimoto are great, and do custom fits.
     
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  14. Leathers have to fit perfectly. if not the armour will move around.
    that means that you have to try them out.
    After you get 1 that fits perfectly, DO NOT GET FAT!!!!

    Some people need different sized pants from jacket , so a 2 pc set is out of the question.

    sizing for different brands are slightly different.

    A* 2 pcs have really short jacket. If you but a seperate jacket and pants it will be different. ( i cannot comment on other brands' 2pc)
     
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  15. Sounds like a bad idea. Draggins are something that you can toss into the washer like any ordinary pair of jeans. Leathers are harder to keep clean, so why would you want to get them if you can't even take care of jeans?
     
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  16. i brought a 2pc octane alpinestars suit.
    love it.
    feels very snug. comfortable. safe. and instills a confidence in me when riding that if something were to go wrong that i might have those extra seconds of resistance needed.
    i just unzip the pants and wear the jacket when going for a short quick ride somewhere.
    quality. make. all seems excellent.
    breathes really well and i have been rained on in heavy rain twice and didnt really get wet.
    go and try some on and pick one you like, than buy it from america. mine cost me $774AUD Delivered! Took about a week.
     
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  17. Was using it for comic effect. :LOL: Not really a grub, just trying...*sigh* and failing to be funny.

    Yeh they look quite good but I think they might be a bit out of my price range. Thanks though :grin:
     
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  18. it all depends on what you want to do.

    If you are looking to rip it up on a track, the leather is the way to go. Leather will give you much better protection in the case of a high speed drop, from memory I think leather is good for an extra 70-80 metres of sliding on your ass along the road than textiles are.

    Textiles are however much more practical at lower speed easier to clean. more waterproof than leather (once leather is wet it is wet for a long time) and it will provide you with protection when travelling at legal to quasi legal speeds.

    Point is, there is nothing wrong with textiles for everyday riding at a reasonable speed.

    Personally I reckon that anyone who wears untouched knee sliders on their leather pants is a bit try hard, especially if the leathers are colour co-ordinated with their bike AND helmet.

    The other reason why I dont wear leather is because it just doesnt look good on middle aged fat boys like me.

    OZ
     
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  19. hehehe ill put up a pic later of the suit im wearing on the weekend.

    johnny is a good bloke...but colour co-ordination is not his strongpoint
     
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  20. really? ^^
    So all you peeps new to track riding make sure you scuff you knee sliders by hand on some cement instead of pushing beyond you riding ability and bin your bike otherwise the above person and any other toss with his opinion might think you are a 'Try Hard' :)
     
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