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Questions after first bike and chain clean..

Discussion in 'New Riders and Riding Tips' started by Comrade, Jun 24, 2011.

  1. Hey All,

    So after 800KM, thought i would do my first bike and chain clean.

    I read the chain maintenance sticky which was super helpfull. The chain and the rear sprocket are looking heaps better! I opted to use Kero as the degreasing agent and found it to have worked well. My question with regards to kero is: How much to you use on average per chain clean?

    I also used a car wash to clean the bike. Pretty happy with the result but I wasn't sure how to clean the exterior of the engine (VTR250). Some bits had and still have grime. Is kero the way to go?

    I didn't know how much water pressure would be ok on the engine, so just used my thumb over the hose.

    Any help is appreciated!

    Maintenance is great but gee it all took a while!!!!
  2. This is probably better posted in the bling and appearance or technical thread, but

    I dip a toothbrush in kero and use it to clean the chain by rubbing the chain while I turn the wheel. So basically I use enough kero in a small jar to dip a toothbrush in and at the end of the job most of it is still in the jar. Use a rag to wipe off before lubing.

    Kero will get oily stuff off your engine but when the hose hits the kero it will look like crap. Try something like CT-18 or any of the specialist cleaning products.

    There is a thread on cleaning your bike. Read it.
  3. Unless the chain is REALLY dirty, I won't use kero on it. Remember, it doesn't have to be shiny, just free of muck and adequate lub.

    I just use a tiny bit of kero, like 30-50mls each time.

    I would not spray anything on the bike as pressurised water can penetrate electrical connections.... Just use a bucket of water with a bit of car washing stuff and a chamois.

    Btw, have you tried pickle?
  4. Yeah good call.

    Right,well i used heaps more than that and i mean heaps more!!! I thought something wasn't quite right.
  5. Kero is not honey, Most of it falls straight off. So unlikely to cause any issues unless it falls on tyres and makes them slippery. I have a piece of cardboard with a slot cut in it whcih I fit on the wheel so I can splash around to my heart's content.

    Wipe off after anyway then apply lube. I don't use lube I just use oil.
  6. Is'nt Kero bad for the o-rings?
    I'm not sure, myself. Just mentioning it.
  7. G'day everyone,....

    I was always told Kerro was fine to use on chains as its oil based anyway.

    Dr Who?
  8. Yep it will dissolve them if you soak them in it for a while. But if you are just giving them a quick splash they basically should be fine.
  9. Um no, I've never heard that. I'm pretty sure it won't perish the o-rings.

    But yes if it did do that, it would take some time, so the brush on, soak, wipe off method would be safe. :)

    Just make sure the kero weathers off before applying lube.

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    Tapatalking loud, saying somethin'
  10. Kero is no problem for o-ring chains. It's about the safest cleaning option you can get.

    You may be confusing it with WD-40 which is generally believed to penetrate the rubber o-rings, degreasing the factory fitted lube in the rollers. Whether or not WD-40 actually does this is disputed by many, but from what I've seen I personally believe it is the case.

    I almost always use kero to clean my chain and have never had a problem, nor do I expect to.

    When pressed for time I have sometimes used Motul Chain Cleaner which gets the job done in 1/4 of the time. I trust the brand name and haven't damaged a chain with it either. Not specifically being a penetrant, I don't expect it would get past the o-rings within the time it's in contact however it is clearly a strong solvent and may have the potential to effect the rubber o-rings themselves over time. I'm yet to find out if this is the case or not though. :)
  11. Use as much as you need to clean the chain, it's not expensive. I use about 100ml with a rag and a toothbrush.

    Don't forget to take the cover off the front sproket and clean all the muck out of there while you're at it.
    Try a bit of degreaser. Spay it on and hose it off before washing with car wash. A bit of WD-40 on a rag should also do the job.
    Get a nozzle with a 'shower' setting so it comes out like a watering can and you'll never have a problem. :)
  12. Thanks everyone.

    Bit of an unknown and a learning curve at the moment.

    But now that it's done, I’ve learned what not to do for the next time. For starters will be cleaning and lubing more often. The amount of gung that came out was ridiculous. I think the previous owner had been lubing regularly but not cleaning. I had to get through a number of layers before i got to a clean chain.

    I'll also be investing in a rear stand, one with L brackets to suit the VTR. The whole rolling forward and backwards thing was just too much effort. Might also look into a grunge brush, i destroyed the toothbrush and the way I’m going I’d need an endless supply of Oral-Bs.

    At the end of the day it was worth it, not just because the chain is clean and lubed but because it felt good to work on the bike. As a newbie, it makes you appreciate the machine and respect it that little bit more.
  13. Strangely enough the best time to lube the chain is when you get back form a ride. While it's warm still. Then it sucks up the lube. And the lube sets a bit so it stays on and not all over your rims.
    And of course after you clean it as you will be removing all the lube.
  14. Well regardless of what you use to clean and lube your chain, I highly recommend doing it.

    I don't think it's my imagination, but I'm getting heaps more power.
  15. A clean chain transmits more power. No two ways about that.
  16. More to the point an stuffed chain soaks up power.
  17. up to a couple of horses... for a learner with 25hp on tap, loosing 10% of your geddupandgo sucks.
  18. If that's what a difference of couple of horses feels like, I can't freaking wait for an upgrade!

    I might go and do my Ps real soon, been a bit lazy about the whole thing.
  19. comrade, like most learners, I have no idea...

    I do know the difference between a CBR250RR and a Ninja 250R... The difference there was like 10hp (i think???) and that was amazing enough :D

    But i do know that a) i can't wait and b) i will be treating my real bike with the utmost respect :D