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Progress .. or just plain unfit.

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' started by VCM, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. In the 18mths I've ridden ( 17,500k ), I've had the occassional sore back, or sore ass. Yesterday I put a cpl of hrs in at the spur in my attempt to improve my cornering & fear thereof. I arrived home after my 5hr outing to find myself sore in places I've never been.
    The back of my neck was killing me, as was both my inner thighs. I felt like I had just returned from a gym workout.
    The 2 hrs I actually spent going up & down the spur, I concentrated on my lines, my head postion ( pointing my chin at where I wanted to go ), and moving my head/upper body into the corner whilst also weighting the inner footpegs.
    I am assuming that the reason I am sore could be one of two reasons.
    1: Confirmation that I had used my body correctly, using muscles repetitively that are not usually used in 'normal' circumstances ( ie commuting )
    2: I'm just plain unfit.

    .. or possibly BOTH.
    I still have trouble with my right-handers, but overall I feel it was a constructive day out.

  2. Lucky B that you actually got to go out on such a glorious day! Envious here :roll: :grin:

    I reckon you're sore from a combination of both ... you've concentrated and worked hard to ride up to current ability and pushed the comfort zone as well I'm sure ... 'normal' commuting in comparison is just like a comfy chair :grin:

    ... did the brain hurt too afterwards? :LOL:
  3. The inner thighs would most likely be just because you don't use them during commuting too much.

    Your back and neck might be a strength / fatigue related issue. Or it could be that you were a bit tense.

    Do you do much in the way of full body exercise?
  4. A combo of both Vinnie.
    There is nothing wrong with getting off the bike and having a walk around to get the blood flowing again.
    Maybe not so much "unfit" but not "match fit" (I know what unfit is :roll: )

    And its another reason to get out there again :LOL:
  5. Vin, i stoopidly lost your number in a clean up the other day, can you fire it off to me again? Cheers.
  6. Thought as much ... ( both ) :p
    as far as exercise goes, apart from the ocassional walk .. zero :cry:
    Cheffie .. pm sent
  7. i vote unfit...... sure you get the odd sore legs muscles etc....but generally if you are fit your body will hold up a lot better, ie it's more used to being under stress/load :)
  8. You need to relax, maaaan.

    Switch to an open face helmet, and take a doobie with you.

    Your organs and muscles are encased by an almost internal skin called 'the facia'. Some physiotherapists specialise in treating conditions related to it, because tension or poor posture in one area can cause pain in a, seemingly, unrelated area.

    Relax your hands on the grips a little, you'll notice less back and shoulder pain.
    Grip the tank with your legs more, and you'll have less lower-back pain.
    Place a little more of your weight on the footpegs, and you won't be as likely to unconsciously grip the tank with your legs too hard.
  9. ^

    What he said. Also you spent 5 hours on a bike that isn't really intended to be comfortable for 5 hours at a stretch.

    You can tour on anything but you need to stop and stretch from time to time. The seat and riding position on most 250s isn't conducive to the sort of riding posture you need for long periods in the saddle. You also work harder on a smaller bike - more wind and stability issues, more gear changes, more concentration to keep it in the right rev band etc. All this adds to your tensing up.

    Physical fitness helps but only a little. It's more important how you hold yourself on the bike and how relaxed you are.
  10. Cornering isolates muscles and muscles groups you can't really get to at the gym. You HAVE had a work out mate.

    How's the cornering?
  11. I did a training course a while back and at the start they said my legs would be aching by the end. They were right. They also said non of this good posture nonsense on a bike. You hunch over. I work out and my abs are OK so I didn't get too sore a back.
    So I think what happened to you is fairly normal until you get bike fit.
  12. Really? :-k
  13. Then how do you explain the "EXERCISE BIKES" ?!?!?!?!??
  14. :LOL: :p smart arse! ;) :grin:
  15. Na. You can go close on a 45 degree leg press but with a very short push (maybe 30cm) instead of straightening right out. Took a while for an instructor to sort that out for me.
  16. Twistngo, going close is not the same.

    Show me an exercise that mimics the tension required to lock on with the outside leg while supporting weight with the inside leg with a knee poking out, while also holding your weight shifted torso out to the inside of the corner...

    Now consider VCM was doing this at roughly road legal speeds... it's a whole new world at track speeds.
  17. fair enough but thats over quickly. a lot of the time I'm carrying my weight on one or both pegs with bent legs and shifting weight around. For me thats where the fatigue happens.
  18. Innit, weight the outside peg? Or is that dirt?

    Riding bikes is about pain. Far easier to drive a car or take the bus.
    But riding bikes is also about pleasure. Out there, the corners, that connection with whatever is going on.

    You just got to get that mix right, & the bad stuff wont be a problem anymore.
  19. A static hold on an exercise ball is great for mimicing the core muscle strength required to hold yourself steady on the bike. Being used to up to 1000km days rides on winding roads, I was at the gym and while I don't profess to be a fit person at all for most things (I actually consider myself to be fairly unfit despite trying to do something about it), the complimentary gym trainer person had me do that exercise and said to hold it for as long as I could. After a few minutes I saw she was getting bored waiting for me to give in and so I decided to make out it like it was strenuous for me and relaxed. In truth I had barely begun to "feel it".

    In short, ride fitness does exercise some fairly unique muscle groups that you can actually isolate in the gym, but if you've been riding for a long time for extended periods, chances are that you probably don't need to pay attention to those muscle groups as they're already getting a good work out. Better to spend your time exercising other groups, and let actual riding condition the required muscle groups required for riding.
  20. I'd be bullshitting if I were to state I was 'fit'. So I'd have to agree with most of the comments here, it's likely the case. The fact that I was sore in areas I've never been before indicates to me that I don't ride a particular style often enough. Riding twisties obviously requires more effort from different muscles than commuting to work and back would.
    The 'fatigue' and 'zone-out' thing on the way home concerned me also.
    I'll take a friend's advice next time and pull over.

    I think I made fairly good progress Rob. Mainly in my approach & execution.
    I am mentally going through the motions and identifying braking, turn in, roll on points. ( although at my speeds there was not many times I used the brake - mostly relied on gearing ).
    I also got into the habit of 'really' looking through the corners with my entire head rather than just my eyes. This seemed to help and 'slow things down'.
    I have other issues I need to combat. Those I may bring up elsewhere.