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News: No clutch on Yamaha's latest FJR1300

Discussion in 'Motorcycling News' at netrider.net.au started by ForumBot, Jul 3, 2006.

  1. Yamaha has released the much-revised FJR1300, and there's something missing - the clutch lever!



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  2. that's waaaaaay cool!
     
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  3. Thats not cool at all, it's condemning FJR owners to poorly-controlled power wheelies because they can no longer clutch them up properly. I'd protest if I was an FJR rider, for the good of the younger generation.
     
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  4. But they are shaft drives .. eeevvvverrryyyooonnnneeee knows that shafties can't wheelie :wink:
     
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  5. Yamaha is just following the lead of few Netriders who are practising clutchless gearing.
     
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  6. Just curious as to why shaft drive bikes cant wheelie?
     
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  7. For the same reason they can't countersteer :grin:
     
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  8. What's next? Automatic gearbox?

    FJR is evolving into a scooter.

    Not just a controlled wheelie...how would you do really slow maneuvering w/o a clutch? Bit of throttle and bit of brake? Eww.
     
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  9. Well i for one dont like lifting the big beast up on its back wheel anyway, its fun but its damn heavy :twisted:
    I'll leave that playing for the VTR hehehehe

    But instead of reading one little blurb best yah's read the whole artical hey :p
    Im not convinced myself but i've got my name down to test ride one
    :cool:
    Im not going to cut and paste thr whole lot but here's the link for those that do want to read up on it :)

    http://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/hot_news/index.htm?hotnews_mc.asp[/b]


    What is it?
    The YCCS system is essentially a manual transmission with a computer controlled clutch. Internally, the FJR1300’s 5-speed transmission and clutch remain intact; however, we’ve added a clutch controller and electronic shift actuator all connected to a sophisticated computer to provide perfect, clutchless manual shifting in any situation.

    What it is NOT!
    It is not an automatic, CVT, or like any "pushbutton” or “tiptronic” transmission found in most passenger cars, ATVs, scooters or snowmobiles. All of these systems use some form of torque converter or centrifugal clutch. The all-new FJR1300AE is a true manual transmission that borrows its technology right from Formula 1 cars and exotic sports cars where only the absolute best will do. The YCCS system will not shift by itself and the rider still must complete every shift when accelerating or coming to a stop just like any other manual transmission.

    Who is it for?
    The YCCS system is not for the lazy or uninspired, rather the system was designed to eliminate the fatigue of operating the clutch, and put more emphasis on the enjoyment of the ride, particularly on long trips or in traffic. The system responds quickly to the riders commands and is designed to be unobtrusive. Although it is not for everyone, the YCCS system is state of the art and groundbreaking and provides a riding experience like no other motorcycle on the market.

    HOW DOES IT WORK?


    Shifting: You have 2 options to shift, either the standard foot shifter or the left hand push/pull shifter. The gear shift pattern is 5 up – neutral is at the very bottom of the shift pattern.

    Activating the push/pull shifter: Once the main switch is turned on, push the button on the left handle switch. A green light will illuminate just to the side of the button to indicate the system is activated. This can be done at anytime as long as the main switch is on. If you do not activate the system, you will only be able to shift using the foot shifter and either one can be used with the system activated.

    Starting from a complete stop: Once the engine is started and in neutral, shift up into 1st gear. The system will not allow you to shift out of neutral if the throttle is opened. When in gear, the system automatically disengages the clutch and the bike will not move. To start moving, open the throttle at whatever rate you wish. The YCCS computer and clutch actuator smoothly modulates the clutch as you build ground speed and the bike will accelerate just as if you were operating the clutch yourself.

    Upshifting: To upshift, click up on the foot shifter, or if you choose to activate the hand shifter, pull the handlebar mounted upshift switch with your index finger. You can shift at any RPM you choose provided it will not cause the engine to lug severely. The computer calculates the optimum clutch engagement time and the electronic shift actuator changes gears in a fraction of a second. The amount of clutch slippage will be determined by how aggressive you are on the throttle. The harder your acceleration, the more the clutch slips.

    Downshifting: As you are decelerating to come to a stop you should down shift by using either the thumb actuated handlebar switch (if the system is activated) or the foot shifter. If you do not down shift when coming to a stop, the gear shift indicator will begin to flash. This is recommending that you down shift into 1st gear. The system will not downshift for you. If you still choose not to down shift and you come to a complete stop, the motorcycle will accelerate from a stop but at a lower rate and with severe clutch slipping which will cause premature clutch wear.

    Braking to a complete stop: When braking, whether from a smooth controlled stop or aggressively, the clutch is disengaged automatically at the proper time to keep the engine running. There is no need to shift into neutral when stopped, the clutch will be disengaged automatically.

    Parking the motorcycle: The motorcycle can either be parked in neutral or in any gear. If the main switch is turned off when the motorcycle is in gear the clutch will engage itself 3 seconds after the main switch is turned off and the motorcycle cannot be pushed in gear. To move the motorcycle after this occurs, you must turn on the main switch, have the start/stop switch in the run position and then apply the front brake. At that time the clutch will disengage itself and you can push the motorcycle.

    Frequently Asked Questions


    What are the benefits of YCCS?
    The system was designed to eliminate the fatigue of operating the clutch, and put more emphasis on the enjoyment of the ride, particularly on long trips or in traffic.

    Is it Safe?
    The YCCS system has been developed and tested for several years with safety as a primary focus.

    Will it downshift automatically?
    No, never. The system only shifts when you command it to.

    Will it keep me from shifting aggressively or letting the engine rev to redline?
    No, the system will shift only when you command it to. The only exception is that it will not allow you to downshift to a gear that would cause rear wheel lockup or overrev nor will it allow you to upshift into a gear that would cause severe engine lugging or stalling.

    Does it shift faster than a traditional manual transmission?
    The system shifts comparable to a traditional manual transmission, however actual shift times vary depending on conditions.
     
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  10. More computer controlled electronic gadgetry to go wrong and cost a bundle of money to repair. :roll:
     
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  11. "the fatigue of aperating the clutch" :roll: :roll:

    Time to get fit fat boy, if the clutch operation fatigue's you. Hope you don't pass out switching the headlights on when it gets dark :p
     
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  12. Someone tell this guy to sit down!

    [IMG:450:501:cf7715aca2]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f41/jbray2/K12S79.jpg[/img:cf7715aca2]
     
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  13. :idea: :p this will be the deth of the clutch lift wealie and it will kill the skills of clutch control so any dick will be able to ride a bike and who said that shafts cant lift my shaft lifts fine :wink:
     
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  14. You keep your shaft lifting to the privacy of your bedroom young man.
     
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  15. Sheeeesh .. I don't have any problem "getting it up" ... :grin:
    My old ZL1000s will stand up with a decent bit of coaxing .. and they're "shafties". My main bike with the lower bars requires a fair old heave to get it up .. less so with my 2nd one with the higher standard handlebars.
     
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  16. You mean like this K1200LT isn't ? :LOL: :LOL:
     
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  17. The automatic model doesn't replace the traditional one. Yamaha sells both so you've got the choice, for now anyhow. I guess they are trying to gauge public response to this system and if people buy it, no doubt we'll be seeing it more often.

    From the reviews I've seen it actually works quite well, the only time it becomes a problem is in very slow 'inching forward' kind of scenarios, because you can't ride the clutch - it's either in gear, or it isn't.
     
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  18. Nice bit of understated trolling there mouth...the best kind....mucho kudos.
     
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  19. with that much torque, you wouldn't need to be
    changing gears too often anyway...

    I reckon an optional clutch would by nice - flick a button and you can use it if you want, or turn it off and go fully auto.
     
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  20. Yep he's a conversational wizard alright! I found my fingers unable to resist posting that picture. Hate it when they do that.
     
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