Here is question 3. (Q1 https://netrider.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=311526#311526 Q2 https://netrider.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=311544#311544) I know I will save dollars buying a bike from the Trading Post or the like (in other words, anywhere but a dealer). I'm looking to buy something up to about 3 years old. Looking at prices on bikes, I think it makes more sense to pay $1000 more and get something 10 years newer, I can’t believe how these bikes hold their value. I think I would prefer to buy from a dealer because of the warranty factor and all that, also probably get a better price on gear (considering I will spend top dollar on gear) Question: How much would I save by not buying from a dealer? How much discount would I get on gear if I buy the bike from the dealer too? Or would I get a pretty good discount if I spend about $2500 or $3000 on gear anyway? How much will the dealers offer me for a 3 year old VTR or ZZR when I trade one in for a new bike next year (ie. how much will I lose on the bike)? I have looked at Redbook, but if their prices on bikes are as accurate as they are for cars, then Redbook is a waste of time. so hope you guys can help.