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NSW New Rider needing a confidence boost

Discussion in 'Welcome Lounge' started by Rakddon, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Hi All,

    I am a new rider and have purchased my bike 2013 Suzuki GSX650F and it has been sitting in my work carpark for a few months as i am scared due to dropping it 2 times.

    1st time was cause i slipped as bike was too high.
    2nd time bike lowered but body naturally leaned left when reversing n bike fell left which no the fairing is cracked but not a biggie and easily replaceable.

    Bike is in Pyrmont but I live in Revesby.

    I really wanna ride and gain the confidence :LOL:
  2. That's only gonna happen if you get on the bike and ride it.
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  3. Welcome along RakddonRakddon
    Sounds like your confidence has been knocked back a bit.

    So what's the plan?
    Sounds like the bike needs to be relocated back to your home. Then perhaps choose some quiet streets and a carpark to practice the basic skills.
    Do you think you want someone to ride it there for you or would some company be enough to get you going?
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  4. Get on it, ride it carefully out to a country area, then just ride it at your own pace and get comfortable with it.
    It's an awesome bike and will reward your enthusiasm and practice if you let it.
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  5. #5 chillibutton, Oct 14, 2016
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    Calling any NSW mentors...

    That aside, find an empty car park and just get practicing - start, clutch in, in gear, ease off clutch and go without stalling. Learn where the clutch kicks in and how not to stall, or if stalked, how not to fall over. Get used to the weight of the bike under you, and where your feet should be to hold it left or right.

    Baby steps mate, but they'll build the confidence.

    Then try cones, figure 8's, u turns etc.

    Then when you're happy - hit the road, quiet streets first to acclimatize.

    And as fin mentalfin mental suggests, get the bike to where you are. You're not gonna ride it if it's not there.

    Good luck....
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  6. Yes, do you just want encouragement or would you feel better if you didn't have to ride it home by yourself?

    Let us know if you want the company, I'm sure someone will be happy to tag along.
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  7. I live near the city so handy enough for Pyrmont.
    I'll put my hand up for tag along duty.
    A quiet time traffic wise would probably be best for your nerves.
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  8. Welcome to NR. As others have said you need to ride to be able to get the confidence back, take it slow and easy, it'll happen.
  9. RakddonRakddon if you'd like, and if I've read this correctly and you'd like your bike back at reevesby, I can come meet you where your bike is and escort you back home. I can ride your bike with you pillioning and then I'll just grab a train home from reevesby, or I'll bring my bike and ride with you, and we can just take it easy. I've got a couple of days off next week before I fly down to Melbourne for phillip island GP so Thursday would work for me...

    Failing that, we can find some good motorcycle transport companies who will get your bike from pyrmont to reevesby for a reasonable price, and you can practise on some more quiet and sensible roads before you drag your bike into the city again...
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  10. Confidence boost inbound
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  11. I am assuming you have done at least the NSW pre-learner course ?
    If you are having troubles then maybe contact where you did your Ls for some private tuition to reinforce the basic skills so you can get moving.
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  12. First of all..... WELCOME RakddonRakddon to netrider and the glorious life of two wheels!!!!!

    You have come to the right place! Netrider has been one of the best things that ever happened to me. There's so much knowledge and support here. It was invaluable when I was going through the process of learning the basics and buying a bike. I didn't know anyone who rode when I first started. I've made so many friends here and I'm still learning more every day thanks to all the awesome NR people! So, keep posting out on the forums, even if it's just a little update on how things are going.

    I completely agree with the other suggestions to set you up with a good mentor. Having a good mentor will make a world of difference to your skill and confidence. There are quite a few around NSW so I am sure you will find someone soon. It looks like there have already been a few offers so definitely PM those people and set up a time to catch up. So nice of all these awesome peeps to offer to help you out. The private tuition suggestion is a good one too if you want the more controlled environment of a learner's course, there's nothing wrong with that. I signed up for a number of riding courses while I was on my L's not that long ago and it helped my confidence big time!

    I am still relatively new to all this myself and can completely relate to having your confidence knocked out, so here's my two cents worth. Don't be too hard on yourself. We are all new at first! Mistakes and little setbacks are to be expected, because they are part of the learning process. There will be ups and downs, but the thing to remember is if you keep at it, soon the fear goes away and the pure joy kicks in! Being able to ride is the most glorious and freeing feeling in the world. Fear is normal at first, but it is transient. Just keep going.

    I've dropped my bike more than once. It happens, that's what the oggie knobs are for. The first time I did it I was very new to riding, I got stuck in a figure 8 and didn't know how to keep my revs up, I didn't know how to use the friction point of the clutch and didn't understand not to turn too sharply. It was a stationary drop. I bent my clutch lever too! I was so annoyed with myself and beat myself up about it for days. That did knock a fair bit of confidence out of me and I made it worse by being quite hard on myself. I've now realised that when things go wrong the best thing I can do is to reflect on it for a bit, but to pick myself up and move on. Gotta keep moving to stay upright, you know :)

    The second time I dropped my bike I decided to go riding on an unsealed road that turned out to be way too soft and sandy. Really not the place for a sports bike! The front wheel got buried, I put on the brakes and over I went. Another stationary drop. I put that down to a learning curve. I didn't yet understand what my limitations were and unfortunately I had to exceed them to understand. So, I picked myself up (along with my bike) and got straight back on that bastard! I remembered the advice others had given me - drops are to be expected if you are learning and it is nothing to be worried or ashamed of. The third time I dropped my bike (bah yes there was a third time, I'm going to cop a few jives for fessing up to this, so I really hope this helps you!), I got caught out again on a soft surface I should not have been riding on (clearly I didn't learn the previous time, lol!), when I fell over I literally laughed out loud. All the way home I could not stop chuckling to myself as I seriously contemplated changing my netrider profile name to "butterfingers"! I just thought "oh well, I've definitely learned that lesson now, sports bikes belong on the road!" For me, the more I focused on what I was learning and all the great, positive things I was gaining from riding, the easier it was to deal with little mishaps. I think I've got it out of my system for now, but If it happens again I seriously will call myself butterfingers!

    A big thing that improved my confidence was just spending time on the bike. That does not mean I jumped on and automatically started riding off into the sunset, but time in empty streets and parking lots, just getting used to the feel of the bike, the friction point of the clutch, how the breaks felt, how the weight of the bike felt, stopping and putting my feet down smoothly. Thanks to the advice of a few awesome netriders, I came up with the idea of hading a regular lap just around the block. It was only a few hundred metres, but it had a set of traffic lights, a few corners and a stop sign. I felt safe being close to home in case something went wrong. Every night I got home I'd ride it. Eventually, I felt confident enough to extend my lap further into other streets, then other suburbs, and even further than that, and now I haven't looked back!

    Something that also helped me when I was starting out on my new bike was just practicing sitting on it idling in my apartment carpark. I'd practice feeling for the clutch point, slowly taking off, stopping and putting my feet down. Then I'd roll back and do it again. It might sound a bit silly but that was the first thing that got me used to the feel and weight of my bike, which was very different to the XT250's that the training centre had. Because of that consistent practise at home I felt more confident when I was out on the road that I could take off smoothly and could stop and put my feet down in time without being in fear of dropping my bike suddenly.

    Ok, I think that my post is long enough for now. I hope my ramblings are somewhat helpful and I definitely recommend you talk with those who have offered mentoring. Keep us updated on how your progress goes, I'd really love to hear about how it all works out (and it will work out, I am sure).

    And one final question for you RakddonRakddon - What made you want to learn to ride? I'd love to hear all about it!
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  13. Happens to the best of us.

    Loaing your confidence is mental game. Happened to me when i crashed my mc22.
    Took me a few months to get back into it
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  14. Get some rest and go for a ride during the week at something like midnight. The roads are all yours .
  15. Once OP gets his bike back to base, that is a great plan.
    That was my policy once I got much of the basic skills figured out. Working on a crazy IT project at the time was good incentive to focus on bike practice.
    (Ah the smell of fresh bread & bin lorries...)
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  16. #16 Steve Vtec, Oct 15, 2016 at 08:05
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    Mmm although riding at night is scary enough in its own right when you're learning, I find the dark is a lot less scary than all the daytime stray cars with idiots attached to the driver's seat...

    RakddonRakddon im a reasonably new rider with only a few years under my belt and for some reason I kept putting off rider training, I was having too much fun riding around and didn't think I'd get much out of a lesson with what I thought would essentially be some old bloke telling me how wrong I was...

    Well, funnily enough, how wrong I was... I recently took the firestorm out to eastern creek and let me just say that although a little pricy ($350 or something for a 1/2 day course), it was the single best thing I've ever done for my road craft. The stay upright trainers (at least the ones I had there) were so professional, very friendly and approachable, and gave individual coaching wherever possible along with group sessions. They'd gave us a few tips on road position, body position, counter steering, lean angle, where to look through a corner, and then a bit on brake points (when to slow down), corner lines, and acceleration points (when to speed up), and the effects of these three things on stability of the bike and the physics of what happens when you apply them correctly (and incorrectly).

    It sounds like a lot of information, and it is, but on top of all this, the most valuable thing I found in a training scenario like this was to be able to practise on a beautiful wide track without having to worry about traffic and regular road hazards. Each student left plenty of space in front and behind so you never had to worry about getting too close to someone else, and you could focus wholly on riding, practising techniques you've been taught immediately and safely.

    I reckon you'd really get a lot out of it, the one I did was called their "intermediate" course, but there was four or five learners in the session who had very minimal experience riding and a few provisionals who were not much further ahead of them. Very broad spectrum of skills, everyone really enjoyed themselves, and it was my opinion from watching and learning all morning that everyone left a better rider than they arrived.

    I'm happy to have a chat to you about it if you've got any questions, or failing that I'm happy to just go for a ride on a quiet night if you want some support while you teach yourself. I'm in Marrickville so reevesby is only a half hour away, I can come and meet you wherever and we can coast around and practise some basics so you can gain some more confidence on the road
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  17. That's brilliant Steve VtecSteve Vtec! That's such great offer of help to RakddonRakddon. Legend!
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  18. Let me know if this comes off Steve VtecSteve Vtec, I don't live that far and could follow to Revesby depending on timing and if you're happy to, pillion me back to your bike on my 250. I've not been on the back of a bike in years so the change of pace would be novel at least.
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  19. hi RakddonRakddon and welcome to NR and congratulations on the purchase of your new ride!

    you are going through a fairly normal stage for new riders, excited yet apprehensive then get spooked a little and start questioning whether they made a good decision or not.

    as a few have said already, you won't get your confidence back if you're not riding so you need to decide if you want to ride or not. if you do then the offers of an escorted ride back home is something you should act on.

    try for Sunday morning/s to ride. that is when everyone has slept in and the roads are a bit empty.

    do you have friends that ride? I'm interested as to how you bought the bike and got it to your work and your reasons for wanting to ride etc. in my case (many years ago) most of the guys in my circle of mates had bikes so I got one and we used to ride together on weeknights and weekends, whenever we could.

    anyway dude, good luck. if you decide on a Sunday Pyrmont to Revesby ride let me know as I would be happy to tag along for moral support.
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  20. katekate dont get too excited, he might be an asshole haha. But I'm happy enough to help this possible asshole get his bike back home for some more practise though ;-)

    if you have a bike I'll call you a friend until you give me a reason not to, so until I've seen that reason you've got a friend in me. Actually I shouldn't just say that about riders. I try and be that tolerant for everyone, just sometimes you see someone walking down the street and you bloody know that you're not going to like them :p

    Hope you're not one of those type of people RakddonRakddon haha. Anyway the offers there, I have a mate with a van that'll fit a bike in the back so can come pick your bike up and drive it home for you (we'll have to sling him some cash), or I'll come on my bike and we'll ride together, or I'll sort my self out to get to your bike and pillion you home on it, whatever you're most comfortable with.

    Otherwise, anyone got a decent bike transport company in Sydney?
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