Hi guys and gals, looking for some advice about negotiating for price on a new bike from a dealer. My understanding of the profit margin on a new bike is rather non-existent so I don't know what is reasonable to ask for and what is simply outside the realm of possibilities. I understand that businesses need to make a profit to keep running and I don't begrudge that at all. Of course, any money I save on the purchase of a bike is money I can use on petrol for enjoying my new purchase. Plus the economy is on a bit of a backwards slide right now so I don't want to spend more than I really need to if I can help it. Now I've heard a lot about the car industry which is pretty much on its knees and no doubt they are willing to cut some pretty impressive deals simply to keep stock turning over and to help cash flow, but is the same true of the bike industry? 1. If I'm looking to spend 10-12K on a bike is it unrealistic to expect the dealership to suck up the ORC? 2. What sort of price saving should I expect if I'm buying a 08 model instead of an 09 one? 3. Am I better off trying to negotiate to have some extras thrown in for the same price rather than try to work the price down? 4. Can I get everything, cheaper price, free ORC and stamp duty, plus a couple of cheap extras? 5. How difficult is it to buy a bike from another state and then simply have it shipped down to me and transfer the rego? For example, I've seen some good deals in QLD so could I get the dealer there to register the bike and cover all the ORC then ship it to me here in VIC then transfer the registration? Is this going to cost me more than I think or be more hassle than it's worth? If there's anything else that I've neglected to ask about feel free to throw it out there for me!