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Motorcycling/skydiving & other parallels

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' at netrider.net.au started by grue, May 2, 2013.

  1. I don't know why it took so long for me to realize this, but there are a lot of things in common between the two. Some of them are obvious:

    Exciting
    Non-majority population participating, somewhat "fringe" to a lot of people
    Participants tend to obsess over the activity
    Less safe than sitting on the couch reading a book


    What I didn't think about, though, is how governments view both activities: As an activity where people sometimes die, that not everyone participates in. Motorcyclists and skydivers all understand that these activities are not "safe" in the widely used sense of the word, but we choose to accept it and do it anyway. Very very very very rarely does anyone say "Hey, I got hurt doing this thing and even though it could have been avoided if I {took the tram, drove, stayed at home and rubbed one out}, I'm going to lobby for someone to force new rules on everyone else because it'll make them safer", and yet we still have safetycrats jumping down our throats telling us how to live our lives.




    At what point does a government say "You know, these guys know the risks and accept the risks, why don't we just leave them alone? They're unlikely to hurt anyone but themselves, and if they do hurt themselves, we can just say 'hahahaha we told you so!'", and leave it at that?


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  2. mmm skydiving will be covered by the NDIS and paid for by all of us whereas motorcycling will continue to be paid for by CTP on every vehicle
     
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  3. It's sad that anyone would place the financial wellbeing of the state (which does not care about you) above the freedom of the individual to enjoy the ~80 years we get on this rock.
     
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  4. #4 trd2000, May 2, 2013
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    i wonder what the per capita hospitalisations are from sky diving vs motorcycling when you look at the number of participants?

    edit: found something from skydiving magazine.

    "in the U.S. about 35 people die while making approximately 2 million parachute jumps"

    That would be reasonable if it was 2 million jumpers all jumping either every day or once week or whatever like motorcyclists... but this is 35 deaths jumping, plus others in planes, from 2 million jumps.... each of which lasts about 5 minutes....
     
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  5. I always thought of motorcycling like whitewater kayaking, mainly because I think people who jump out of perfectly serviceable aircraft are, well, strange, whereas whitewater kayaking is an immense amount of fun).
     
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  6. Honestly I'd expect it to be RELATIVELY close, but the severity of injuries-not-resulting-in-death would probably be less for skydivers, at least anecdotally. Most of the injuries I've seen in 9 years of imitating birdshit have been sprained or broken ankles… with the notable except of a friend of mine who has broken his right femur twice, but he's an idiot.
     
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  7. You haven't taken a hard look at our planes ;)
     
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  8. One of the blokes my wife worked with (he's an AJ) broke his back and both legs after his parachute failed to remain open. But from what I understand this is a rare occurrence.
     
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  9. Yeah, the overwhelming majority of injuries in the sport are pilot error. Legitimate equipment malfunction is prettttttty rare.
     
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  10. Until we get rid of socialist policies like medicare, and also the forthcoming NDIS , that give the government a duty to reduce injuries and costs, the demonisation will continue. Medicare causes the nanny state, the nanny state ruins motorcycling.

    I pay my private healthcare, not only that ive never been hospitalised in my life. Dont tread on me fwits.
     
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  11. That would make motorcycling (in the USA at least) a lot safer.

    21.45 per 100 Million vehicle miles for bikes, assuming a 60kmh average I make that 8.58 fatality per million hours.

    Compared to skydiving at 1050 fatals per million hours.

    Hope I got that calculation correct.

    Australia is a lot safer for motorcycling generally that the USA.

    http://www.besthealthdegrees.com/health-risks/

    Base jumping is the most dangerous according to the above link.
     
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  12. #12 grue, May 2, 2013
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    We were talking injuries though, not fatalities, at least that was my understanding.

    Skydiving is DEFINITELY more dangerous than motorcycling from a mortality perspective, I'd never deny that. It's worth noting, though, that every so often a plane augers in and throws the numbers way off. I consider that a plane crash, not a skydiving fatality, but different places may not.


    I just know that, again anecdotally, the people I know who were injured riding outnumber the jumpers I know who've been injured (out of a similarly-sized pool) in both quantity and severity… but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see actual science refute that :)

    As for BASE… well, also keep in mind that most of the data there is self reported, and most jumpers aren't gonna talk to nonjumpers.
     
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  13. ... how about duration? do the people you know spend more time jumping out of planes or riding bikes?
     
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  14. Yo!

    How do you explain your 2-wheeled passion to other non-riders?

    I describe it as:

    "Riding a motorbike is just like when you were 6years old, and would push your bmx to the top of the hill just so you could free-wheel back down again! Motorbiking is that same childish exhilaration, but all the time! "

    My friend describes it like surfing.

    How do you describe it? o_O
     
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  15. Depends on the people. Many of my close friends are full-time workers in the skydiving industry, they do "around" 15 jumps a day if it's busy. Figure 15 minutes in the plane, 1 minute in freefall, 4 minutes under canopy per jump, so about 5 hours a day in situations where they can become a statistic. Even commuting every day and going for rides on weekends I didn't get anywhere close to 25 hrs/week of riding.

    Now, they don't necessarily get those numbers, but figuring edge case… even half that, though is way more time than I spent on a bike per week usually.
     
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  16. I can't describe it.
    I'll make one change to your comment
     
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  17. The only way I can describe it, is relating it to Bicycles (push bikes). I would be Interested in hearing someone who's never ridden explanation of it.
     
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  18. It's like riding a slippery dip to work.
     
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  19. ^ with a sore ass
     
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  20. "He who dies with the most toys, wins and a motorbike is the essential winning toy followed closely by mad guitar hero skills"
     
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