Now even if you are not in favour of loud motorcycle exhaust pipes, there's no doubt that in America at least biker's will fight tooth and nail for what they see as either a right or an additional safety aspect of their riding. http://www.bikernet.com/news/PageViewer.asp?PageID=902 What did riders in NSW do when the EPA and Police started to crack down on loud bike pipes...sweet FA is what. Aussies let the government just roll right over them virtually unopposed. Motorcyclists especially. Though the recent stoppage of the NTC lane splitting rule shows that may be about to change. I give you this as an example, something I suggested to Bandit at Bikernet and which he and ABATE are now using as a guideline. A garden worker with a leafblower, in an apartment complex, with many small lanes and areas, may well spend an hour using the VERY noisy leafblower. He does so once a week. A loud motorcycle goes past the apartment complex every day, once at 8am in the morning and once at 5pm at night. The bike seems to be as loud as the leafblower, but the bike is only adjacent to the apartment complex for 3 to 6 seconds as he passes by. Why does the EPA choose to pick on the bike and not the leafblower?