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looking for work/advice IT industry

Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by es, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. Im about to finish my 2 year traineeship (2 years of work placment and on the job training) in cert 4 IT networking. in this position i have cultivated skills appropriate for level 2/3? helpdesk bordering on desktop support...

    Thing is ... i want to expand my linux knowledge (as we all know the future is penguin) and would prefer a job that helped me reach this goal. Eventually i want to become a linux system admin.
    any ideas?

    also anyone who knows of appropriate position coming up mid august pls pm me ;)
  2. more lattes? :LOL:
  3. Yep, go the Penguin!!!!

    Are you wanting to stay in Smelbourne? Or willing to move interstate? I won't bother keeping an eye open in Brisvegas and surrounds.

    We've got a definite goal to Open source as much as possible here, and are replacing our Windoze and Netware servers with Suse Linux at every opportunity.

    Ideas? IMHO the way to ensure job prospects in the Linux field is to become good at the interoperability side. eg, getting Linux working with M$/Apple/Unix/eDir etc. To that end, get into LDAP, SAMBA etc.
    Also, skills in script writing, esp Shell scripting will be great. Also look at getting a good working knowledge of MYSQL, Postgres/Postgresql.

    There will always be demand for web servers, so proficients in Apache, Squid and various routing software flavours will help.

    Get yourself a couple of old PC's, set em up in a room somewhere and be a geek(ette) for a few hours a week, and play with Linux.
  4. Do what I did in '92 when there were no linux jobs/training places, jump into the deep end and install + admin your own servers. No use being spoon fed your whole life ;)
  5. I have absolutely no idea what you just said! :? :oops:
  6. PM Sent with email details.
  7. With your background the easiest route could possibly be to get into *nix based helpdesk/desktop support.

    However as private companies tend to be all look at me with their IT infrastructure you wont find many running any flavours of *nix as their desktop environment, prefering a Windows environment because they get to put expensive looking boxes under/ontop of people's desks (although they might be running it backend).

    Because of this you may want to look into government jobs (including the public/private education sector (which includes universities)) as they are more likely to be running a Unix-based desktop environment (possibly SunOS/Solaris over thin-clients). Lots of benefits in landing a government, only one of which is it is quite easy to move jobs within the whole of government. Public sector jobs can also be very generous with further training and accreditation which is most excellent.

    The other route is to fund yourself (and writing it all off on tax) through some Red Hat Sysadmin training (whether or not the company runs Red Hat-flavoured Linux the accreditation is looked upon highly, and it's at least 90% the same) or doing some Solaris Sysadmin training (not as good as Red Hat, the accreditation system is not as good and it is for Solaris, about 80% the same in terms of OS but a whole other world if the organisation goes the whole hog with Sun Microsystems stuff).

    The downside of this is the cost (training is pretty expensive) and you still can't point to sys-admin experience, but that certainly shouldn't stop you. You certainly don't need the training to become a guru, but it does provide proof you are at least knowledgeable when you haven't got the real-world Linux experience.

    Hope it helps.
  8. Hmmm, slight hijack (if you get a position) anything open to a linux system admin for 15 years experience and roughly 12-13 years corporate experience. Linux, BSD, Cisco, Windows, juniper stuff naming stuff top of my head, I'm actually starting a 1 week course next week due to starting to feel strong enough (physically at least, hopefully mentally) to work again so a 9-5 course for a week will test me out. I won't step in front of Eswen for anything as it is her thread :grin: I'm actually going to officially look I guess after this course finishes (end of next week)
  9. I only know of inappropriate positions...
  10. Yeah i am really keen on finding a position in council or simmilar, and what you have said has given me even more incentive :)
    Im currently working in a school, they would like to keep me on but have only mentioned sso level 1 pay rates which is only 30k pa... which is less than a level 1 helpdesk position!
  11. Is that a public or private school? i'm working at a school on 40k pa... i'm looking to start to break into the corporate world... Any NR members know of anything in Sydney?
  12. Agreed. Get some practice in solving the real world problems of using Linux. Set up a Linux box on your home network and muck around with all the 'features'. Make sure you don't rely on all those fancy GUIs for the administration tasks (none of the *nix bods I know use them)...

    Also, experiment with the different flavours of Linux. They all have minor differences and although the Debian based distros (Ubuntu is nice) are my favourite it's good to know how the others work...
  13. OS (linux) in growing very rapidly in Victoria. You might get into the industry by working with a standard IT consultancy company that does the occasional linux box. Or you may get a position with one of the larger linux specialty companies that have a presence in Melbourne. If I were you I'd be speaking to some specialist IT recruitment agencies. If you make a good impression I'm sure you'll get a step in the right direction as finding good IT help ATM is hard.

    If you get stuck PM me and I can shoot through some companies to call.

    P.S. Go the penguin, 8 of our 11 back room boxes are linux.

    Sillygit: Debian has been my fav distro for years, but most companies use RHEL or SLES.
  14. haven't got a clue what you're talking about and can't help at all, but thought i'd post congrats on completing your traineeship - way to go girl :grin:
  15. An ISP helpdesk job is what you want. Plenty of linux systems and networking infrastructure, and you'll get exposure to them both. Impress, and you quickly find opportunities within your employer or another ISP to move into junior/assistant admin roles where linux and networking rules the roost. Add some experience, and the industry is your oyster.

    http://it.seek.com.au/ has plenty of level 1 + support roles for you to apply for.
  16. Mouth is on to something, considering the certification you have completed is networking based. Something similar along the lines of what Mouth is suggesting is a web-hosting/server-farm company as there is bound to be fairly heavy usage of some form of *nix (plus you will get plenty of exposure to the good ole' LAMP platforms, always good skills to have).

    Landing a job in a company/organisation like that can open a lot of new paths as well, e.g. infrastructure manager is an extremely important position and one that will only become more prevalent and important in the near future.

    I'm currently working for a government agency and recommend it whole-heartedly (though not all agencies are the same). It's everything I could've asked for at the start of my career.
  17. Yes, as Mouth said, try and get in with an ISP. I work for a large telco - and whilst my particular area isn't *nix - best bet is to get into a company (Helpdesk) and get some more ICT experience and then move into a position internally within the company.

    My company has all sorts of Solaris/Unix based stuff, shitloads of DNS related junk / email as well.

  18. :LOL: :LOL:

    Do yourself a favour... keep it that way :wink:
  19. When working for an ISP or any call center environment, everyone you work with usually has one goal in mind - getting off the phones! There will be a lot of internal competition for positions coming up. It also depends on the ISP you work for. I've seen a few level 1 help desk positions where they stated they would not consider people with just ISP experience.

    It might be a great place to start, but expect to be there for a very long time before you move into other areas.

    If you find yourself in a job where you're only troubleshooting peoples connections to the internet, learn everything you can there which will take less than 6 months, then move on. The length of time spend working there after that wont really give you any more skills.
  20. Ah, the *cough* joys of an ISP job, As from most (if not all) the people I know who have worked at an ISP always say "Never NEVER again!" in relation to working at an ISP. I'll say the same but it is a good foot in the door, Usually a very stressful job where customers (who usually have NO idea) demand the world from peope they interact which translates into every worker having similar types of pressue put on them all the time while at the job, all for crap pay compared to the IT industry except for those near or at the top. With quotas going down and costs going up (for customers) the ISP world just seems to be getting more hostile so to say for almost all involved. It's almost to the point of saying anyone suggesting an ISP job to someone shouldn't consider them a friend ;)

    I feel that the best way in my view is to look at ISP work as foot in the door work. It gives GREAT experience as ISPs usually have good (bleeding edge) technology to "play with" which makes up for the low pay (and of course stepping up to a real job hopefully in the short timeframe of 1-3 years) unless you are the top of the field of what you work at. I guess it's just a way of boosting my ego as I worked at an ISP in 98-200 with only one boss, the owner :grin: Sadly it was crap pay but it introduced me to good "big" hardware of Cisco Access servers, switches and digital modem banks. Great hardware to "play with" ;) and it did lead to a far higher paying job (with lots less hours and the same condition of only the owner/MD as the boss). Anyway Eswen, if you do find "the passion" for unix, I wish you the best of luck :grin: In the server world, unix is your friend, not your enemy, at least in my view that's how I see it :grin: