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Living in a country without freedom...

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by lowercase, May 19, 2010.

  1. This is REALLY awful. I mean - they have no rights whatsoever.


    A Malawi court on Tuesday convicted a gay couple who staged an illegal same-sex wedding of violating "the order of nature", which could land them with up to 14 years in prison.

    Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza were arrested on December 28 following a symbolic wedding and have been in jail ever since.

    Homosexuality is illegal in Malawi, as in most African countries.

    "The state has proved beyond reasonable doubt that the two were married," Magistrate Nyakwawa Usiwa said during the more than three-hour hearing in the southern African country's capital.

    The judge convicted both men of engaging in gay sex which he said was "against the order of nature", adding that their sentence would be handed down on Thursday.

    In unusually graphic language, the judge convicted Monjeza of "having carnal knowledge of Tiwonge through the anus, which is against the order of nature."

    Chimbalanga was found guilty of "permitting buggery", which the judge said was similarly contrary to natural order.

    The couple gave no reaction as the ruling was read out. Both were well-dressed but handcuffed before the courtroom packed with local and international media, with a heavy police presence outside the court.

    Prosecutor Barbra Mchenga urged the judge to hand down the maximum sentence of 14 years in prison, saying "their offence was well planned and well executed."

    "The case has left a scar on Malawi's morality," she said. "The two did not show any remorse or regret for their actions. They seem to have been very proud of their action."

    The couple's lawyer Mauya Msuku pleaded for leniency.

    "They were first offenders, and although the charge was a felony, it was a technical offence and they have already paid for their offence since they have been in jail since December," he said.

    In January, Msuku appealed to the Constitutional Court to toss out the case, saying his clients had a constitutional "right to privacy, dignity, belief, conscience and self-expression."

    Msuku, who has been hired by the country's underground gay rights group Centre for the Development of People (CEDEP), argued that laws banning homosexuality "violate the right to marry and find a family".

    But the top court refused to consider that appeal.

    The trial included often lurid questioning by prosecutors, who asked witnesses for graphic details about Chimbalanga's body because he wears women's clothes and lives his life as a female.

    The proceedings have attracted great public interest in conservative Malawi. About 300 curious onlookers gathered outside the court in downtown Blantyre hoping to see the couple.

    Around a dozen police kept the crowd outside the courtroom. The couple were taken back to jail through a back door.

    While international donors have expressed concern about the trial, Protestant churches have urged the government to uphold its ban on homosexuality, which religious leaders described as "un-Christian".

    The Malawi case has highlighted a toughening stance across Africa against homosexuality.

    Thirty-eight out of 53 countries criminalise consensual gay sex, which is punishable by death in some nations, according to Human Rights Watch.

    Amnesty International called on the Malawian authorities to "immediately and unconditionally release" Chimbalanga and Monjeza.

    "The defendants have reportedly been beaten by police while in custody," said the rights group, adding that their forced medical examinations amounted to torture and any the evidence should have been ruled inadmissible in court.
  2. buggery?!? Move to Victoria.

  3. *rimshot*

    But seriously, Africa sucks, the place is barbaric.
  4. Of course they were. Gay guys always are.
  5. at least their road laws are a bit more relaxed
  6. Yes but what the road laws is irrelevant in some of the African nations. You will just be pulled up for trumped up whatever and have to bribe your way out of it.
  7. Funny jokes there guys :rofl:

    But seriously, 14 years for liking someone of the same sex? Yeah, okay "illegally married"? WTF. Something seriously wrong.
  8. This is the case where politics are driven by Religion
    It’s F#$ked, and it is rampant.
    As much as we may biatch and squeal about legislation in Aus we are a damned sight better off than in Africa.
  9. Their country their laws... You might not like it but and the end of the it's got **** all to do with us...
  10. It's got everything to do with us Stigger. We're all part of the human race. you're happy to sit by and watch crap like this happen? I'd rather let others know of the injustice and lack of freedom so hopefully, one day, things will change.

  11. oh you mean like our laws for stem cell research?
  12. Yup... you got it.

    If people don't talk they won't be heard. And if people aren't heard then the right people who CAN actually do something about it won't think it's an issue so it'll forever go by unnoticed.
  13. 93 nations in the world still legally punish homosexuality. In 7 of these - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Nigeria, Mauritania - gays and lesbians are punished with the death penalty.

    Sucks to be living in the dark ages.
  14. It won't, so stop beating your head against the wall.
    They have cultures and mores that precede anything we have here so move on and worry about what happens here in this neck of the woods.
    Sure you can express your concern and rage but they won;t be listening and if they are they won't give a stuff.
  15. Why who say's we're right as far as they are concerned these people have committed crimes against nature in direct contravention of what "God" dictates to be perfectly honest they're lucky to still be alive...

    I think when in Rome applies here we all go on about people assimilating and adhering to local custom but does that only apply when they're our customs???
  16. Wrong way around. Religion doesnt precede sexual moralism. Its the environmental factors that lead to religious beliefs.

    Africa is harsh and civilisations there are primitive because people have such trouble meeting basic survival needs.

    Homosexuality is banned because if a gay man is rooting another man, hes not rooting a woman and therefore no babies. Therefore lower birth rate and contributes to the real risk of a society going extinct.
  17. That's kinda a flawed argument. If he's gay he's not gonna root a chic anyway :p

    Each to their own I say it's no one elses business what someone gets up to behind closed doors.
  18. yeah, because Africa has such a problem with under-population and low birth rates
  19. Actually I was thinking (guessing) this law in this country is a direct result of Christian missionary intervention in the near past.
  20. With enough emotional conditioning a gay man will try a relationship with a woman. It will fail but probably not before making a few children and thats all that matters in the long run.

    In America lots of gay men have gone through religious camps to "cure" them of their homosexuality.