Great to see an articles in todays release of Australian Motorcycle magazine that comments on how much ignorance there is on this fear of 'litre' bikes (Vol 56, No.22, Pg 91). It goes well to suggest that the bigger bore babys are designed far more forgiving that of times past, and from a low end throttle response and braking capability, will save and protect your life much more easily than a 250 made with economy parts, but control is up to the rider. Needless to say it might even be better to get rid of 250's all together and have longer training courses that get you off on a 600 - 750 - 1000, from the word go. As long as you are taught and have the ability to adapt to riding a learner or seasoned rider should have no issue in comming to grips with any calibre bike. The biggest issue that I agree with is that when you take a bike out onto the road, you are risking your life to a much higher degree than in a car. With this in mind, I would certianly not risk it being on a machine who's manufacturers are aimed at cost cutting (let face it any 250cc you can get). I have riden large sports bikes over quite some time and always keep it within both personal and legal street limits (yes it is possible to do)! Where I have almost come to grief is usually in low speed, medium density traffic environments that generate a lot frustration in drivers, but gives them the room to make stupid manuovers. Only the superb handling characteristics (in this case R1) have saved me. On a 250 I would have been airborne! Unfortunately nobody is going to pay for a high performing 250 or LAMS bike, manufacturer or consumer. I would like to see an trial where 100 new riders are introduced to motorcycling. A cpl on 125/250cc, some on 600cc and rest on 1000. Similar training (beyond clutch and throttle control development). and see how they progress over 12 months - 15 months. Then see what happens when a 12 months 250-er goes to a litre bike, post restrictions. Think the results might surprise a lot of people. :grin: Your thoughts please!