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Jill Singer Round 2..."culture of risk is the real enemy"

Discussion in 'General Motorcycling Discussion' started by chicken78, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. Following on from her recent comments and criticisms of motorsport following the loss of Marco :( comes the latest, including responses to ann neal and mark webber,


    "WHAT can be done to reduce our state's road toll? Advertising campaigns such as the gruesome TAC television ads have certainly helped reduce the overall road toll.
    However, we still face a seemingly intractable problem - young male drivers are not getting the message.

    Of those killed on Australian roads, 18-to-25-year-old males are vastly over-represented.

    A review by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau highlighted a number of reasons including the taking of alcohol and drugs as well as the underestimation of risk and deliberate risk-taking.

    The denial of risk has long been noted for its connection to aggressive, competitive driving.

    In the 1970s, researchers found that drivers generally don't perceive any risk of their being in a crash. Other researchers later came up with the concept of risk-homeostasis, which essentially means that road users always operate at the highest level of risk they're prepared to accept.

    The end result is, when you put a bloke together with a car, you often have to wonder which one is the tool.

    So what can be done? A good start would be to stop glamourising motor sports.

    Young blokes at the wheel or on a motorcycle hardly need egging on, but that's just what the motor sports industry does.

    If you doubt this connection then just check out the traffic leaving Phillip Island or other racing venues.

    This week Ann Neal took me to task for criticising what I consider the dangerous blood-lust of motor sports. She claims that "not one" motor sport fan gets off on the inherent dangers of racing. I simply don't believe her. I've seen the reaction to crashes and it's not all "tut-tut, what a shame".

    Then again, Ann Neal denies that motor sports are even risky - ah yes, that old problem of denial, which is a noted characteristic of road users, from the officially competitive to the suburban hoon.

    I note that as the manager and partner of Formula One driver Mark Webber, Neal derives great benefit from racing.

    According to her, racing is incredibly safe: "I have more confidence in Mark being out on the track in his F1 car than out on the public roads on his push-bike."

    Webber also happily downplays the dangers. On his website he talks about his main worry going to India for the first time to compete in the recent inaugural Indian Grand Prix - he'd heard there are lots of stomach bugs there.

    That's a man of the world for you, more scared of a curry than a crash.

    Now, protecting young people from themselves is a vital task for society as a whole, not just for parents of young drivers. With regard to road safety, this was recognised as far back as 1989 when the Federal Office of Road Safety reported on driver aggression, risk and motivation. It found: "There can be little doubt that there is a substantial learned component (to aggressive behaviour). Risk taking and competitiveness can be considered, in part, to be encouraged by society."

    Now, if Ann Neal and Mark Webber really want to be socially responsible, here's a suggestion - chuck the sponsorship deal with Red Bull.

    We all know the energy drink is strongly associated with youth culture and boozing. Having the brand slapped on speeding drivers and cars sends an appalling message to young drivers at risk."
  2. ...wow...she is really one eyed...or one hell of an ugly troll.
  3. Another ill informed opinionated rant.
    But then again that's exactly what she is paid to do.

    I like the part where Red Bull drinks are now socially irresponsible as they are associated with youth and alcohol.
    Better get round to banning coca-cola then too Jill.
  4. I have ice in my whiskey, maybe she would like us to ban kids from having access to water when a freezer is in the vicinity.
  5. And just what did she witness people do when leaving racing venues? If you are going to make a claim back of up with some facts / evidence.

    And what was her area of expertise to make specialist comment on motor racing safety? None. Just more opinionated Herald Sun hate mongering.
  6. Sorry Jill, Id rather my kids be involved in motorsport learning about life , how to drive, how to ride etc than wrapped in cotton wool, sitting on a picnic blanket holding hands singing kum ba yah and sipping green tea! And they sure as hell wont grow up in melbourne being exposed to this trolls attitudes!
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  7. What she doesn;t realise is that living has a culture of risk.... Biologically, we are programmed to like some level of risk because taking some risks is inherent to our long term survival. We have evolved to accept risk.

    She is living in lala land thinking you can live without risk.

    A life without risk is a life not worth living
  8. Without risk, there's no reward. If she wants to be a coward, go ahead. Don't fuсking tell me or others how to live our lives. She needs to be kicked in the сunt and used as a snowshoe.

    I really hate people like her. Yes, hate is a strong word. Yes, I mean it.
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  9. Here is her big mistake. She would not know this, but the task of parents (and society) is to prepare young people to manage risk, not to protect them from it.
    Elimination of risk is impossible. Equipping people to deal with it is not.

    We are not alone:
  10. protecting young people from themselves is a vital task for society as a whole, not just for parents of young drivers.

    Where do I begin with this statement?
  11. She is right, drivers don't recognise risk, but its not motorsports fans that are the issue. Its the people that are so careless with risk that they drive around not paying attention talking on the phone, eating breakfast playing with the GPS because they think that their car will save them.

    Nothing to do with motorsport.
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  12. All of the above AND a whoo-er.

    She's clearly just feeding off all the negative responses and probably loving it too.
  13. I get really tired of this "18-25 year olds are grossly over-represented in statistics" guff.

    Remember when you were 18 and had a car? You just about lived in it, right?

    18 year olds spend more time EXPOSED to the risk, even if they're not indulging in risky behaviour......
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  14. Well, in all fairness, they do indulge in risky behaviour.
    But they're supposed to.
    Growing up is all about pushing limits,finding boundaries and working out the consequences of exceeding those boundaries.

    Why does a certain section of society get to about 30 amd immediately forget what growing up was like?

    Here's the thing...
    Pushing boundaries is part of what makes us human. Every single innovation ever has come from somebody trying something all their elders told them couldn't be done.
    Society shouldn't be trying to stop that. We need that or we're doomed.

    How about we stop trying to nanny everybody. And drop this idiotic idea that it's possible to have traffic without traffic accidents. Momentum doesn't work that way. I'm sure prople dying in an accident is tragic for those close to them, but it just isn't a significant problem for society. How about everybody just deal with the fact they people are going to die on the roads and get over it already.
  15. Idiots with ill informed, idealistic, incorrect opinions & a public voice are the enemy.

    On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

    I want to have lived a little by that time.
  16. Finally... Young men are supposed to take part in risky behavior it thins the herd...

    Has anyone else noticed how car ads now days are all about all the other stuff there is to do in the car instead of driving...
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  17. ...yeah, and notice how many adverts are slanted at women and older guys with familes?

    of course we don't engage in risky behaviour on the road :LOL:
  18. That's the bit that the social engineers want to change.
  19. Look...clearly risk taking should be made unlawful and while we're at it, ban those nasty pointy sticks and hot drinks too!
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  20. Is that sarcasm?