It's hard to find gear you can feel safe in and wear off the bike, I found one of the best looking jeans are Hornee jeans, so i got myself 3 pairs, although happy with the appearance im not happy one bit about the quality of the denim. Today i broke the 3rd pair, i fell off my mountain bike doing about 4'ks over some wet petals, my knee hit the ground first thing that happened is a split, not a tear from grinding along a clean tear alone a line of stitching, to me this implies poor quality denim, i didn't really slide at all just landed on my knee and came to a dead stop. The other two pairs, First day i used them i caught the hem of the right leg on the grind knob under the bottom of the right foot peg, instantly put a hole in it and managed to tear a large hole on the way home to change, i would normally put this down to my brute strength and carelessness, but my Icon's have caught there the same way once a day all through the year before and never even so much as pulled a thread! The last pair i tore open when the corner of a side panel from a pc case caught it, there was no strong pull or knock things over just tore like butter. The same pair got caught on a blunt hook on the end of a broom and ripped a triangle big enough to put my hand through! Again along the stitching no actual tearing. So now im not going to worry so much about what they look like, i'm going for jeans with strong denim and pockets for armor behind the knees.. This isn't so much a rand but more letting people know my experience with Hornee. I would contact them and possibly get replacements but they would only do the same thing.. I would hate to see what would happen to someone coming off at a decent speed.