Hi Guys I'm about to upgrade to a new bike in a couple of weeks, due to my licence being upgraded to full-bike licence. I've currently got a black Honda VTR250 (1999 model), which I've had for over 9 months, very reliable bike (it's for sale too, check it out on bikesales tomorrow!), and I'm looking at upgrading to a Honda VFR800i (2002/2005 model). The only thing is there's no test rides available for this bike at any dealer, and all private sales are out in the country (I live in metro Melbourne). I've never ridden one, but I've done my research on it, and love the look of the bike in general. It's also a lot cheaper to insure than the other bikes I've been looking at.. (i.e - BMW K1200S, K1200R, Ducati S4R), I figured I start with a good quality bike first, and I'm wanting to do a lot of touring, but still have the sports feel and look to it, hence the VFR. My friend has an older VFR (98 model) ,and he swears by it. Mind you this hasn't got the VTEC stuff in it as the new ones do. Has anyone owned, or got a VFR800 (2002/2005 model) that they can give me some info about? I.E - resale value, SALE value, general 'all rounder' bike (as I'll be using it to get to work everyday), touring country riding, fuel consumption, etc? I'm looking at originally paying around $17k for a new one, with 0kms. Looking at getting pipes put on it too, to make it sound a little meaner I've looked into www.redbook.com.au and they're priced at around $14k for private sale? And $9k for dealers? Am I getting ripped? I've looked at all sportsbikes in general, and dont like the seating position, too racy for touring. VFR looks the way to go. Some advise from fellow riders would be much appreciated! Also, another friend of mine has just bought a YZF1000, on his P's. But apparently he has been able to get insurance! I thought since you're not licenced to ride that capacity of bike, nobody would insure you? Plus if the police end up pulling you over, you'll have to walk or get a cab home! (image if you went country riding???)... He thinks police will simply give you a $100 slap on the wrist,and that be it. My problem is that I can't finance my bike AFTER October, due to changing jobs (makes it hard to get finance after saying you've only been with a company for 2 weeks!), so I'll have to finance the bike BEFORE I'm fully licenced. It's a matter of weeks really, but it makes the difference between getting the $$ for the bike and not! My thoughts are buy the bike, store it in the garage, and wait until your licenced (matter of weeks) before jumping on it. Question is, would the dealer let me purchase the bike without a full-licence? So many questions... Cheers All. R.