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Honda NT400 Bros

Discussion in 'Bike Reviews, Questions and Suggestions' started by peon_feo, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. Heyas,

    Now that I've been badly bitten by the bike bug I'm looking around at possible rides, and I've come across the Honda NT400. From the few things I've managed to find here and there they're a nice bike, economical with a bit more poke than a 250 without being stupid. Naturally, though, I've got a bunch of questions and I'm hoping you kind people can help me out....

    Is it a good bike? I'm told these bikes are imports, so -- how hard is it going to be to get parts for them? I'd like to learn how to service my own bike -- is that going to be easier/harder on this bike than on <insert other choice here>? Finally -- how many km's is "too many"? I know that when you're looking at a car, an average of 10,000/year or less considered okay -- what sort of average k's would you look at on a bike?

    Thanks for your help!

  2. the bros is a smaller version of the ntv650 (NV maybe?), which was sold here. They weren't that popular, because the were pretty gutless and boring.

    I think the grey bike thing is getting smaller here, so it's becoming more risky.

    also, it won't be lams approved (if that matters to you), as it's not on the list.

    K's is a big question and is oft debated here. My opinion is that bikes can't do the k's cars do. Be skeptical of low k's, but some people only do hundreds per year, so they may be real. Anything over 40,000 on that thing and it would want to be very cheap

    most bikes are pretty easy to service.

    I do see the appeal of the Bros, but it would be a bit risky.
  3. Good to see that you have the bug, and the twin bug at that!!!

    I'm not sure, but I think the Bros is a grey import so do a bit of looking about for some spare parts, just to be sure you can get them.

    As for other bikes, depends on the coin you want to part with and what you want to do with the bike (daily, weekends, tour). I have a Hyo GT650R and have been happy with it so far. It's not a super fast, super nimble bike (and if anyone says they are, they full of crap), but they are a good bike for what they are.

    SZR 660 SuperSingle would be a good bike to think about. RVF 400's are way over priced for a 10 year old bike, but sound great with an open can.

    Everyone will give their 2 cents and you will have to jump on something you feel comfortable on and will fill your needs.
  4. Have had a look at the 650 version which I believe is basically the same apart from the engine. Biggest problem parts-wise is the single-sided rear swing arm (made by ELF). Apparantly the wheel nut is very easy to round off it's extremely difficult to source a replacement. Fairly sure the 650 version shared an engine with the NX650 sold here - not sure though what parts would be interchangeable with the 400. If things like oil filters are going to have to be ordered in from Japan then it may be more trouble than it's worth. On a grey import the kays are pretty much always going to be low (usually around 20-30,000) - whether or not they're genuine though will depend on how reputable the dealer is.
  5. The Bros was sold as a Hawk in the US and is related to the NTV650 Revere that was sold here. The NTV was a shaft-drive with a weaker engine than the 650 Hawk/Bros, which is chain drive and, reportedly, much more fun. 650 more fun than 400 (and one of the sportiest non-Italian twins available until the VTR/TL1000), but a 400 Bros has to be cooler than a VTR250.

    NTVs were boring but they didn't sell because they were overpriced- nothing more. I know couriers who did over 200,000 kms on them without undue problems.

    A Bros would be a good bike but not much of the Revere will fit it... and because they're rare in Australia, parts could well be an issue. As jd said, the lock nut on the rear wheel is a problem, and they round because people lose the special tool.

    Also as jd said, greys can be almost anything, from re-built ex-racers to genuine garage ornaments. Do not buy unless you get someone good to go right over it: pitted fork legs, hammered top triple clamps, heavily worn footrests and minor rim damage are all typical of high-mile bikes that have been tarted up for sale.
  6. The 400 Bros is popular with London motorcycle couriers, and you can't get a better recomendation than that.

    I don't know why people keep saying you can't get stuff for Jap imports. Just find the country the bike was sold in the most and make inquiries of a shop there. I used to order all my Suzuki 1400 Intruder parts straight from the USA. Seven days from order to arrival of part. (Express)

    With Bros stuff just order it from the UK.
    Look on the Net for bike shops in London, some may even specialise in the Bros.
    Look on the Net for Bros forums.
    Go to www.visordown.com, (It's a UK bike forum) sign up, and ask about the Bros in their forum.
    Plenty of London couriers at VD.

    Good luck: Jaq.
  7. There are also Australian-based companies that just do parts for imports... getting parts for them is easy, you just have to know where to look.
  8. ..and be prepared to pay whatever they feel like charging. Actually if you really like the Honda Bros might be worth having a look at a grey import 400cc Bandit which has kinda the same styling. It also uses the same frame and essentially the same engine as the 250 version that was sold here so parts should be easier to find.
  9. I always thought the Bros was a CB400. Its a very popular courier bike in the UK. Is it rebadged and renamed here or something?
  10. Bros and CB400 are very different bikes - the Bros is a v-twin, the CB400 a parallel 4 or parallel twin (depending on what year). Can get confusing though - in the US the CB400 was sold as a Hawk, the Bros as a HawkGT (even though they had nothing in common).
  11. "When will I, will I be famous?"
  12. Thanks for the replies so far :) I've got another followup question though -- who the HELL will insure it? I've tried AAMI, Swann, W-QBE, Shannons, RACQ.. noone is interested. Most don't like it 'cos it's an import, W-QBE does imports but it's not on their list, and Shannons won't talk to me until I have a 3 year clean riding record with them.


    If I could get just 3rd-party property, I'd be satisfied. But noone is interested. Anyone got any ideas?
  13. maybe try a broker. I've never used one, but they should know.
  14. I've not ridden a 400 Bros, but the 600 is quite nice. Easy to ride, comfy, and enough power to keep you happy. You can fit a top triple clamp from, I think, a hornet (i can find out for sure if you need to know), so you can use riser bars instead of clip-ons.

    With servicing goes, they don't seem too bad - more complicated than a air-cooled single, but still not too bad. The engine isn't too cramped, which makes things easier. As for parts, I'd imagine your local import place should have a pretty good supply. Air and oil filters you'll be able to get aftermarket variations (k&n etc).

  15. That was the headline in the Performance Bikes road test, in which they straight up said they would not call it a 'Bros' and thereafter referred to it as a Hawk.
  16. I've got a Bros :grin: , so I can probably clear up some of the questions.

    I got mine late last year for $2600 with about 36,000km on the clock. This is my first bike, but being a mature learner I wanted something bigger than a 250 to keep my interest a bit longer. So it is a LAMS bike and you should be able to find it on the RTA list.

    It's a vtwin (as you know), so sounds great, also has good power through the rev range. It also isn't as frantic as a 250cc. Comfort is good too.
    One problem the standard Bros has is that the standard front suspension is crap, very soft apparently, luckily my bike was previously owned by a handling guru who fitted an adjustable shock and also reworked the fork with linear springs.
    It also has a single sided swing arm so wheel changes are a doddle and a centre stand too.

    As someone else mentioned it is a popular bike with UK couriers so they just go for ever. I get parts by mail order from the UK so I can give you the URL if you like.

    I also have a video test review (35mb) which gives it a pretty good rap (apart from the soggy front suspension).

    Although I got the bike as a learner, it's quite heavy (about 180kg) so I found the NSW Most Test (P Test) too tricky for it (need to lean more when doing the U-turn and cones). So I did my test on a trail bike instead.

    A useful site I found was

    I haven't seen many advertised, maybe one or two around the $4000 mark for 30,000+.

    Any other questions, or if you want a copy of the test review, just fire away.

    P.S I got insurance through NRMA for about $240 fully comp I think with a 65%NCD.
  17. Thanks for that, Doc. I must admit that I'd seen you post before about your NT400, and was hoping you'd pipe up! ;)

    Just called NRMA, and they WILL ensure it! Hooray! I'd actually given up on the NT400 as an option, seeing that I couldn't get it insured, but this puts it right back on there! There are a couple for sale around Brisbane -- two for $3990, one for $4990, all at dealers and all with more kms on the clock than yours.

    Might have to see if they'll talk turkey....