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High cost of commute

Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by Sir Ride Alot, Dec 12, 2013.

  1. What bullshit! A report commissioned by the commissioned by the Australasian Railway Association and not one mention of the massive benefit to commuters who choose to travel by motorcycle.

    And what's with this research fellow Dr Jian Wang of Southern Cross University? Is this quality research?

    It looks like the train people fear governments will cease subsidising train users. After the proposed introduction of tolls on motorcycles it may be time for train users to pay their way including the cost of PSO's.

    High cost of commute

    Victoria Date December 12, 2013 Adam Carey

    Full-time workers who drive between Melbourne's suburbs and the CBD spend on average $6000 to $10,000 a year more on commuting than workers who take public transport, an analysis has found.

    The report, Commuter costs and potential savings, compared public transport and car commuting costs in seven Australian capital cities and found driving was the more expensive option in all of them.

    It found a resident of outer Melbourne who works five days a week in the CBD, does not own a car and commutes 25 kilometres by public transport would spend $17,949 less a year on commuting. An inner-city resident living five kilometres from the city who owns a small car but commutes by public transport would save $5772 a year.

    The analysis is based on a range of commuting costs for someone who works 231 days a year. It compares the cost of three scenarios - a worker who owns a car and drives to work five days a week; one who owns a car, but catches public transport to work; and one who does not own a car.

    Costs also vary depending on the distance travelled, car type, and average parking costs in each city. It includes maintenance and repair costs, but excludes the cost of congestion and carbon emissions.

    The study was completed by research fellow Dr Jian Wang of Southern Cross University and commissioned by the Australasian Railway Association.

    The association’s chief executive, Bryan Nye, said the report highlighted the savings workers could pocket using public transport.

    ‘‘Melbourne commuters travelling five kilometres to the CBD in a light car spends on average $7880 per year and those driving a large SUV 25 kilometres into the CBD could be spending $20,107 annually to commute,’’ Mr Nye said.

    Although taxpayers subsidise about 70 per cent of the cost of Victoria’s public transport system, Mr Nye said the money public transport users save flows elsewhere in the economy.

    ‘‘This study confirms why government investment in public transport is good use of public money and, if utilised, will see the money going back into the people’s pocket,’’ he said.

    Melbourne ranked third among cities analysed for potential commuter savings.

    Sydneysiders spend the most driving to work, followed by city workers in Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Hobart and Canberra.

    Outer suburban residents were also found to incur the highest costs by driving to work, although the report said in many such suburbs commuting to the city by public transport is impractical.

    Kathryn Buhagiar lives in Doreen, 26 kilometres north of Melbourne’s CBD, and drives to work in St Kilda Road five days a week.

    She pays $286 a month for a permanent car park in her office building and spends about $100 a week on fuel. Commuting by public transport would require catching a bus, a train and a tram.

    Ms Buhagiar said she had just quit her job as a financial controller because the demands of her commute had become too taxing.

    ‘‘Unfortunately I have to quit a job that I love in a great company, just to get a bit of work-life balance back,’’ she said.

    Donvale resident Pam Horton said she avoided driving to the city because of unpredictable traffic conditions at peak hour.

    Instead, Ms Horton said she drives a few kilometres to Nunawading railway station then takes the ‘‘more reliable’’ train.

    ‘‘I think the cost is not so different though, if you compare a zone 2 fare with the cost of petrol that my small car uses.’’

    With Thomas O’Byrne

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/high-cost-of-commute-20131211-2z6g0.html#ixzz2nEmQV06o
  2. I'm glad they didn't, it may work out more expensive. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was in half the cases.
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  3. Because a study didn't include your preferred mode of transport it's bullshit? I can't find the original report, so maybe it did but the papers decided not to run with it.

    The study was commissioned by a railway association. Clearly they have a vested interest in making public transport look as good as possible. Perhaps that's why they only chose to compare to cars.

    But I don't see how it's bullshit anyway. Doesn't more people on public transport mean fewer cars trying to kill you on your bike?

    Sounds like a good thing to me.
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  4. Yep. My back-of-the-envelope guesstimate placed the per-kilometre running costs for my 250 at about the same as for as a medium-sized hatchback - the lower fuel consumption is cancelled out by more expensive tyres and servicing. The bike wins on parking (free vs $15-20/day), initial purchase cost, annual rego and insurance. I'd imagine pretty much any larger bike would work out to be more expensive, probably in line with a large sedan.

    If you have free parking and already own both a car and a bike, the car could be the cheapest way to get to work - just slower than a bike and possibly slower than public transport depending on where you live.

    If you have to pay for parking, I would say bike is cheaper than public transport is cheaper than car. e.g. commuting by car makes no sense for me, since parking costs 2-3 times a tram fare and driving would take almost the same time as PT.

    The absolute cheapest and least stressful commute options are walking or cycling, if you live close enough for those to be practical.
  5. Between me and my gf, we have 2 cars and 3 registered motorbikes. We both take the train+bus to work (western subs to cbd sydney). The cost of commuting even on a bike is horrendous.

    We're going to get rid of one car soon which is good.
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  6. Depending on where you live PT shits all over private transport - unless you fly to work.
  7. Just announced on radio this morning that public transport charges are going up in Victoria and they will keep going up every year.

  8. Doesn't it go up every year according to CPI?
  9. Yes, unless we get deflation it will keep going up.

  10. I've never actually done the calculation but I tend to reckon that, if you ride something not too exotic and do your own servicing, the crossover in running costs between bike and economical car happens at ~35 bhp for the bike, so a decent road 250 or a cooking 650 dual sport or thereabouts.

    Depending on where you are, parking costs and the time saved on the commute may or may not make a significant difference. For example, here in Perth, free motorcycle parking is like hens' teeth so you can be stuck with paying 1/2-2/3 of what you would for a car. Traffic isn't too terrible yet and so time savings are often less than you might hope. Hence a bike isn't as fantastically economical as it could be, but, OTOH, outside the centre, public transport is crap and so it is almost a necessity to have some sort of private, powered transport.

    Of course, there are those who don't think in terms of charging for their commuting time. I used to think that way too, but age, more calls on my free time and an increasing awareness that I only have a finite number of hours left to me has changed that.
  11. It would cost me $11 a day to drive just in parking. Thats if i get in earlier than I do. Otherwise $25 i think

    Thats a lot of tyres
  12. They have whacked on an extra 2.2% above cpi for the next four years.
  13. mmmm. My figures were as follows based on 80km commute per day; Leaving front door of House to Sitting at Office Desk. All leaving front door of house at 630am

    1. Walk-Bus-Walk: 120 minutes to work, 120 mins to home , 4 hours commute per day at cost of $38.50 per week (lets call it $8 per day). Emotional state: not good. Reliability: LOW/MEDIUM. Notes: Express bus, must leave office between 445pm and 6pm to catch express on return else totally screwed.

    2. Car (VW Tiguan): 90 minutes in, 90mins home (but upto 120 mins if leave after 730am/6 pm) 3 hours driving per day. Petrol: $12 per day, Parking: $15. Tolls: $4. Servicing: about $400 a year. Insurance: $750 pa. Depreciation: Lots. Emotional state: bored and frustrated. Reliability: GOOD.

    3. Motorbike (CB600): 50 mins in, 50 mins out (no matter what time of day).. 100 mins per day. Petrol: $8 per day. Tolls: $1 per day (e-rider), Parking; $0 (thanks Sydney council), Servicing: $600 per year. Insurance: $350 p.a. Depreciation - not much. Emotional state: :) :) :) Reliability: GOOD but I've had more punctures than I care to remember.

    Result: Bike wins. Public Transport is a better option than a car (if you dont mind the public)
  14. sounds like my old routine. lol.
    but if u factor into the 120min public transport slog, a snooze/magazine/tv series/Movies or whatever floats ur boat and it can come out way ahead.

    i even took up Uni by correspondence and managed a few HDs cos of that commute time.
  15. Can't stand public transport. Usually can't get a seat, probably no parking at the station either, which means a bus, a train, and a tram. No parking at my new job, unlike the old one, so parking around $3.60 an hour, and have to change every two hours.

    Free motorcycle parking on footpath...bike wins easily.
  16. True. I tried that but the road is so bad I got dizzy !
  17. Last time I parked on (what turned out to be) a footpath I got fined $100 !
  18. sydney sydney sydney, oi oi oi!
  19. Just finished a one month suspension courtesy of the po po.
    Used PT and got lucky, as the bus stop is about 300 m from my house, and stops opposite work (18 km later).
    Same deal on way home.
    Daily cost $4.96.
    Normally I drive a v8, or ride the bike, duc for commuting!. Costwise, PT would win hands down with either choice.
    But, the waiting, and the people I shared the bus ride with were not for my choice.
    No change of destination available at short notice, and no hooning, or adrenalin creating.
    You pays your money, and takes your choice.
    If I have a choice, bike every day, PT last resort only.
  20. the cost of commuting on a motorcycle depends greatly on the motorcycle.

    Fuel wise my Bandit is less economical around town than most small Japanese or Korean cars of the same or slightly higher engine capacity.

    Tyres - It costs me between $300 and $400 for a tyre and I need to replace the rear every 15,000km and the front every 25,000. A set of tyres for the average small Japanese or Korean car costs about the same as one tyre for the bike and you can get 40,000+km from them (our Liberty Wagon has about 50,000km on it and we still have the OEM tyres on it (maybe 10,000 left in them).

    Insurance - insurance costs are about the same for me - comparing year to year.

    Registration costs - the bike costs more due to CTP costs.