Have recently discovered this forum and have been browsing its wares. Lots of very interesting and useful info - thank you all. The posts on this forum confirms my experience that people on bikes are really helpful and want to recruit others to the cause. To give you an example - I was doing 'circuits' around Sydney Olympic Park and a guy on a treadly (bicycle) pulled up next to me at the lights and kindly guided me to the unofficial MOST practice area. A week of practice and a session with the Saturday group (thanks Ben for putting me on to the group and Simon for the e-braking tips) made me decide to go for my P's straight away. I decided to bite the bullet on the first session available and now having just gained my P's and can't wait to use the bike whenever and wherever I can. Have clocked up 1500 ks in the last month (a mix of freeway commuting, trips over the Blue Mountains, near to home 'blocks', city cut and thrust) and the bug has well and truly bitten. If you see a "mature" person on an improbably small bike (Yammie Scorpio) don't laugh, wave at a new convert. Am already looking around and saving for something bigger to drag my substantial body around.