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SA Here we go, not long now till its all over the place!

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' started by pro-pilot, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. Definately, this will keep us safe!

  2. Another initative to get us over the barrel

    0 vote(s)
  1. South Australian police told to pull over more cars


    By Joanna Vaughan and Ben Way

    June 28, 2007 07:13am

    EVERY uniformed South Australian police officer has been told to pull over 20 extra motorists each a year to help make the roads safer.
    Each uniformed officer's target of 50 traffic stops a year will rise to 70 and all operational officers, including those from local stations and crime and operations support services, will be expected to pull over at least one more motorist each fortnight from next Sunday.

    Senior police have denied the new benchmarks are a revenue-raising exercise. Assistant Commissioner Grant Stevens said direct intervention was the best way to modify driving behaviour.

    "If they see something that requires an intervention then we expect they are going to do something about it, whether they are a detective, traffic police or general patrol," he said.

    "We are increasing our focus and lowering our tolerance in relation to poor driving behaviour and requiring our police to take action in every incidence where they see driving behaviour which increases the risk to road users."

    Opposition police spokesman David Ridgway yesterday said the increased target for police was "quite clearly a revenue-raising strategy".

    "It's clear there's a revenue target expected for each police officer to achieve," Mr Ridgway said.

    "Police making road safety contacts is just a cute way of saying police will be fining people.

    "The community wants to see a greater police presence for the purpose of public safety, not just going out pinging people."

    Treasurer Kevin Foley yesterday declined to comment on whether individual officers now face revenue targets.

    A spokeswoman for the Treasurer said it was the responsibility of Police Minister Paul Holloway to comment.

    Mr Stevens denied suggestions the strategy could be used to increase fines revenue.

    "We are not looking at this from a financial perspective. Our expectation is that traffic contacts will be counted . . . and if people are committing offences against the Road Safety Act, they should be expecting to face the consequences," he said.

    Mr Stevens said although officers would be expected to increase their workload, it was important to be aggressive on road safety.

    "We are committed to reducing the road toll by 40 per cent by 2010," he said.

    "We are hopeful this will translate to a reduction in serious injury and fatal crashes."

    Looks like those fender eliminators and cats eyes are not going to be a good investment! :roll:
  2. There shouldn't be a target/quota, police should be able to pull over those people that are an actual problem and leave the people that aren't be.
  3. yep, we all got pulled over in the middle of a town in the hills (cant remember which one) for "random" license and registration checks last weekend. Guy I was with had his license plate mounted up under his tail (no shovel) and got booked $300 worth because the officer "didnt like his attitude". The plate was clearly visible with a wide range of viewing angle.

    Meanwhile, during the time we were pulled over, not one car was stopped, and one car was even towing a trailer with no license plate or rego sticker.......

    its called the Sportbike Tax. I accept it most of the time, but $300 for a friggin license plate mounting issue!?!?! :shock:
  4. Yeah, when they have pulled you over, pull out your credit card instead of the licence and say " at least spare me the 1.5% processing fee" :LOL:
  5. The more people are killed and injured on the roads, the more resources are diverted into this kind of stupidity, which of course does nothing to reduce the accident rate.
    Its a viscous circle, and the only winners are the fat cats in charge of it all.

    Its dissapionting that SA Minister for Transport doesn't really want to save lives on the roads. At the end of the day its his decision, he's the one who has to live with it.
  6. 70 stops a year is nothing. Whats that, just over 5 a month.

  7. It's about damned time - question is will they be bothered. The good thing is that detectives and general duties guys don't carry speed gear, so they should be able to focus on the worse road crimes like random lane changing, no indicator using defective car driving bastards about the place.
  8. Not a question of anything illegal, but the attitude of law enforcement towards road users. This will promote the "i have to look for something here to justify my timesheet" attitude.

    You and I both know that in some way shape or form, most motorcycles have bits and pieces that do not meet the 123,675 requirements as listed within regulations. From speed of the indicators, to having race stand bobbins on your ride whilst on the road, etc. etc.

    Unless you are actually being unsafe and breaking laws that can injury yourself or others, pulling people over just to give the once over will always uncover something that might yes, be against some sub-section of paragraph B to attachment Alpha, referencing sub-paragraph 21 (God forbid! :roll: ).

    Most of this stuff is utter BS, with no science to prove that x, y or z improves road saftey or is of detriment to the road using community.

    I can tell u now, unless you can go and buy a new bike every few years (which thankfully I can do), most people are left with models that even though get a roadworthy certificate, would still be fined under a mirriad of regulations due to age, wear and mostly low degrees of maintenance.

    Sure if the bike is blowing smoke, bits falling off and has no indicators, then yes, pull it over. Other wise F off and divert police assets to tracking pedophilles and drug traffickers.

    My rant sorry! :p
  9. Actually overall we don't do badly in the Road Safety stakes - a lot better than some of these people would have you believe.

    More ATSB figures

    International Road Safety Comparisons: the 2005 report

    In 2005, Australia recorded 0.8 road deaths per 100 million vehicle kilometres travelled, which was the seventh lowest rate among the 15 OECD nations for which these data were available.
    In 2005, of the OECD nations for which data were available:
    • Sweden had the lowest rate, recording 0.6 road deaths per 100 million vehicle kilometres travelled; and
    • Czech Republic had the highest rate, recording 2.6 road deaths per 100 million vehicle kilometres travelled.


    The degree of actual risk associated with road travel in Australia declined significantly between 1975 and 2005. In 1975, there were 3.8 road deaths per 100 million vehicle kilometres travelled in Australia. In 2005, this had decreased to 0.8 deaths—a drop of 79 per cent.
    Over the same period the median rate for OECD nations also declined, from 3.6 deaths in 1975 to 0.9 deaths in 2005—a drop of 75 per cent.
    The OECD median rate for deaths per 100 million vehicle kilometres travelled has been close to, but higher than, Australia’s rate for the past five years.

    In other words - we are actually improving at a greater rate than the international average. What else is interesting is that the charts showing the rate of decline in road deaths since 1975 are almost identical for the OECD mean and for Australia. In other words it's not necessarily local initiatives that are bringing the rate down. Given that we were among the world leaders in mandatory seat belts, random breath testing etc. you could expect a divergence from the pattern for the periods when we had these and no one else did. In fact the slope is almost identical. It really does appear to be safer cars and safer roads that play a major part in this.
  10. Don't forget also the advancements in emergency medicine which would also be fairly consistent across OECD countries.
    Interesting that Sweden has the lowest rate - they're the ones that stopped focusing on trying to stop people from crashing, and focused instead on preventing people from dying as a result of a crash. Which just seems to prove that better roads/cars/emergency response is far more effective at reducing deaths than overzealous enforcement of road laws.
  11. Regarding old vehicles - vehicles are "grandfathered" when the Australian Design Rules et al change. A stock vehicle only has to comply with the regulations it had to match when it was built. Eg: 1954 VW Beetle had no seatbelts. No need to wear seatbelts in that case, because there are none, and no need to install them either. A policeman could not fine you for this, either.
  12. This is not news

    It's been happening since the Radar guns first started being used,
    especially in the country areas of WA late 70's