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Group Riding Criticized

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' at netrider.net.au started by dan, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. [from here...]

    "An opinion entitled, "Bike processions can be a big headache" published last week in the Toronto Star seems to suggest that bikers riding in a group are the cause of a number of accidents.

    Note: you can also get the full article here.

    The opinion starts out by describing members of the Southern Cruisers out for a ride on what apparently was a two-lane highway, with one lane moving in each direction. The riders were riding at the posted speed limit. A person driving a car at a very high speed quickly caught up to them, and found himself stuck behind them.

    Getting frustrated, he entered the opposite lane in an attempt to pass them by. The problem was that he failed to see the truck coming at him. He swerved his car back into his lane, but in doing so clipped a motorcycle. He ended up killing himself, and injuring the two people on the motorcycle.

    The author who wrote the opinion used this scenario as the basis for expressing his/her own frustrations with group riders. In fact, as you read through the opinion, the author seems to focus solely on bikers for having created frustration with many other drivers, and that something ought to be done about it.

    The author further incriminated him/herself by writing the following sentence...
    Not to mention the annoyance of 20 sets of straight pipes pointing directly at your eardrums.
    What the Hell does that have to do with road safety?

    This is evidence that the author is biased against motorcycles. The scenario of the speeding car driver was used to justify his/her bias. And now, the author took this bias to print, in a large newspaper.

    Group riding is no more dangerous than riding solo or driving a car. Problems are caused when a driver or rider makes a foolish decision, or fails to pay attention. But that's not inherent to group riding. Forcing bikers into smaller groups, with greater distance between groups, doesn't address the issue of dangerous drivers.

    But try to tell that to someone who is already biased against bikers. "
  2. This story seems to be yet another example of a simple event being turned into a pretext to bash innocent civilians. Would there have been ANY fuss at all if this idiot had been stuck behind a bus, and then killed himself? Woudl there be an outcry "Ban buses!"? Of course not!

    If people want to gripe about group riders, what about the environmentally-superior idiots who group ride on push-bikes??? At least with a motorbike you are travelling at highway speed.

    The push-bike lobby have an organised SLOW ride across the Harbour Bridge on, I think, the last Friday of the month at evening peak hour. It's illegal, but it gets a police escort because the cops are not allowed to arrest them, just protect them from frustrated motorists who've had enough of a week of work and just want to get home to their wives and families.
  3. It is rare that cars tend to catch up to a group of motorbike riders. It's generally the other way around.

    The author complains about the bikers going too slow. If they speed up and overtake everyone, the author would then complain about bikers going too fast and being hoons. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    And anyway, what's the difference between a line of bikes and a line of cars. Come back from any long weekend and there's always lines of cars tailing each other stuck behind someone towing a caravan. No cars can overtake in this situation as all the cars sit so close that no gap is wide enough for another car to fit into. The only vehicles that can perform any overtaking manouvers are motorcycles.
  4. funny stuff :LOL: does that mean we can blame "group driving" for our accidents in peak hour?

    its a pretty common attitude tho, just about any amount of bikes is considered as a single entity by other road users. you can be by yourself and you'll be a single unit, but yeah, add 5 riders and your still a single unit in their eyes. yet if you come across 6 cars in a row, they're all seperate :roll:

    farkit, cant change ppls attitudes so we'll just continue to piss them off and no give a flying F :D
  5. Any organised group of vehicles, cars, bikes or trucks, should try to ensure there's a gap to the unit in front to allow other vehicles bunny hopping the convoy to duck in and out safely. So simple

    It's not just bikes, it applies to all road users
  6. I always thought that group riding was just a group of individuals all travelling in a group. Things like changes in road conditions & traffic around the group, like overtaking traffic in front, or being passed from behind, the group of bikes would behave in an ‘organic’ manner, splitting to allow traffic in, or breaking up to pass traffic in smaller sub groups.

    Even though there may be a group-ride leader & tail-ender, it is still everyone responsibility inside the group to acknowledge the traffic around them instead of just following the rear taillight just ahead.

    The major advantage in motorcycles over other road users is that they generally have the speed, acceleration & size advantage to slot into prevailing road conditions which includes other traffic.

    Sure m’cycles are entitled to as much road as they need and want, but in reality sometimes the conditions doesn’t give group rides the opportunity to remain as a congealed unit without resorting to assertive measures over other road users. I think a more cohesive & dynamic approach which may result in the group breaking up or fracturing, reforming later might be a safer & more productive alternative.
  7. I wouldn't necessarily label this editorial as anti-bike Dan. If you read the last few paragraphs:

    "The bottom line is that it's the passing vehicle's responsibility to make a safe pass, but it's everyone's responsibility to be aware of what's going on around them and govern themselves accordingly.

    Anyone (whether it's a lumbering RV or a line of motorcyclists) who is holding up traffic should either crank it up or wave other vehicles by.

    Some clubs and organizations in the U.S. now suggest that forming into sub-groups of four to six motorcycles maximum, with a gap of several seconds between each group is becoming more popular. Certainly sounds reasonable to me.

    Claiming that you had the right of way and believing you were doing nothing wrong loses much of its importance from a hospital bed."

    I reckon I'd agree with most of that.
  8. Yep group riding can bring about it's on set of problems, I for one try and blast past everyone on the straights and then hold them all up in the next set of bends.

    [Homer: did I say that or just think it, oh well never mind]
  9. Not my quote... Just posted it up for discussion :)
  10. Ok my mistake it's the website you quoted that's misrepresenting the original article :facepalm:
  11. Stupid article... The bikes were at the posted speed limit and the car was definitely speeding... and yet he blames the bike ?

  12. I agree with Marx, He's made some very sensible points in his post and he offers a way that groups of motorcyclists can have their cake and eat it too.

    I do agree that it is obvious thet motorcyclists have been singled out here. What about caravans lumbering along at below the speed limit and not letting anybody pass??

  13. Have you considered a career in politics? Your knee-jerk idea would be well accepted :LOL:
  14. Most of my friends reckon I'm a bit of a jerk, so, who knows?
  15. When I was out solo on my bike, I very quickly caught up to a group of 8 cruisers, which were going about 20 km/h under the speed limit, and due to the minimal spacing inbetween the bikes, yet the length of the procession I actually found it quite daunting to overtake. It would have been even more difficult in a car, because at least i could force myself into a small gap, then continue the overtake on the next straight section.

    This was on the road going up from whittlesea, I was heading to strath creek from Melbourne.
  16. To those that find a group of bikes, cars, etc daunting to overtake, don't come down here. Try 2 or 3 B Doubles in a row.

    Look, anyone that has trouble like that should get off the road themselves.

    One of our laws is that you must not break up a funeral procession. The cars in the procession must of course have their lights on to indicate they are participating in a procession. What would you do if you came upon that?

    Overtake stupidly?
    Overtake when safe?
    Break up the funeral?

    I hope no one suggest the third. I don't think anyone here would be that stupid, so I will repeat the questions.

    Overtake stupidly (as in the original story)?
    Overtake when safe?

    I hope no one suggest the first question. I don't think anyone here would be that stupid, so there is no need to ask the question at all.

    To argue that traffic should all go near or at the limit is irresponsible as some traffic may not be able to.

    Drivers need to have some respect for other users and driver safely and without malice.

    I have no sympathy for the driver in the original story at all.
  17. I agree with that... those pipes are idiotic

    but yeh, the rest of the article is rubbish