Been thinking this for a while, and it's time we brought it out and all had a yak about it. Most of the posted rides I go on I seem to be leading, so miss most/all of what happens in the "pack". Occassionally, some of the things/behavior I hear about that occurred makes me cringe I also often hear at coffee and other events, about how people won't post rides, or go on rides with others, because of some ride behavior in general, or by specific people. Today I went on a ride, and observed some behavior that made me cringe. I want to post about it, not to attack the people that did it, but so that we can all think about what occurred and be mindful when out on group rides to make it as enjoyable as possible - that's why we all go on rides right? So, onto my observations from this ride... 1. It's a learners ride ... within 30m of pulling out, the ride is taken across 2 lanes of very busy traffic into a right turning lane (most weaved through stationery cars to get to the turning lane), and a tight u-turn at the lights. Not the best of routes for a learner ride! 2. Straight stretch of (single lane each way) country road with lots of visibility .. a learner pulls out to overtake a car, another bike decides to also pull out and instead of following the learner he overtakes both the learner and the car at the same time, startling the poor learner. Atrocious behavior at the best of time! What's wrong with just following behind and waiting until they've pulled back into their lane before overtaking them? 3. Similiar type of country road, a rider is doing a fast pace to catch the group. Coming up behind another rider at probably around 40-60km/h faster speed, the rider flys past the slower rider in the same lane. Made the slower rider jump. Disgusting! What's wrong with pulling out into the other lane and overtaking properly? 4. Pace of ride ... too fast (out in the open country) for what was posted as a learner ride. Stick to the speed limits or slightly over, not 30+ km/h over. If your not a leaner ride and/or can't stick to the speed limits, why go on the ride unless your prepared to do so? Go on your own ride or post/lead a different ride. 5. Tyre warming (fast paced swinging from one side of the lane to the other) on a wet road. Really good example that! 6. Undertaking on the left. Never, ever! Not on, fullstop! Especially on a learner ride of all places! Don't care if it's a straight stretch of road.. No reason is ever good enough to do it! Now most of this is just common sense and common courtesy. So why do some riders feel the need to do it? Maybe it's because some just don't realise that this sort of stuff isn't 'acceptable' behavior on group rides? Anyways, I hope we all have a think about our behaviour on groups rides and wonder if stuff you do, or have done, is really 'acceptable'. I'd like/hope to see that for future rides, especially learner rides, they are an environment where stuff liek this just doesn't occur. I'd also like/hope to see an environment where if someone does something silly on a ride, we all feel open enough to tell them about it and talk about it ourselves .. and that person accepts it and takes it as a lesson learnt.