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German vs Australian car culture [moved from MOTORCYCLE politics]

Discussion in 'The Pub' at netrider.net.au started by SevenSins, May 29, 2013.

  1. http://www.caradvice.com.au/30280/german-vs-australian-car-culture/

    I wouldn't have a clue where this fits in the forum.
    • it's not research based
    • it's not entirely political more of an observation.
    • it's not even motorcycle based, however it is related in general terms.
    The article is old (2009), however it still rings true..
    I’m moving to Germany. There is no questioning it now. I can’t work out how I am going to survive in Australia when I come back, so the best option is to stay here. Let me tell you why.
    I just came back from the Nurburgring, the home of modern motorsports. The track is a sight that has to be seen. M3, M3, M5, M3, Porsche GT3, GT2, GT3 RS, M3, M3 CSL, Nissan GT-R, M3, M3, McLaren SLR, F430 Scuderia, EVO IX, EVO X, STI, Lotus Exige, and all on a normal Sunday morning.

    You pay about A$50 and you can do as many laps as your car can take. Depending on how good you are, each lap can take around 10 minutes, anything under that is a reasonable time.
    We also met Sabine Schmidt (the Nurburgring girl – you may remember her from TopGear with the van) who was taking tourists around in the Ring-Taxis (M5). She would get it sideways around a few corners and then scream past.
    The ‘ring alone is reason enough to move to Germany, but that’s just the icing on the cake. The main reason to move here is the car culture.

    “Oh you’re in an M5, I’m in a Volvo. Sorry sir, let me move over and let you pass” – “Oh, you indicated left because I am going slow in the fast lane, sorry, let me move over instantly and not give you the finger as you go past”.
    We even met a few car lovers, one of them invited us back to his house, where he had a collection of old but very quick BMWs.
    Unlike Australia, the faster your car is in Germany, the more respect you get on the road
    Everyone from little children to grandmothers love cars. In fact while we were at ABT, we saw an old Audi S2 tuned to over 450bhp, owned by a 74-year-old grandmother, no joke. If someone can find me a 74-year-old Australian grandmother with a 450bhp+ car, I might reconsider my decision.
    We drove 503km from ABT, at Kempten, to Brabham Racing, 20km away from the Nurburgring, in about three hours, and didn’t run out of fuel this time.

    Anthony was competing with a Porsche Panamera whilst George and I were listening to Sunshine 106.1 (Armin Van Buuren was playing – music would be another reason to move here) and maintaining an average speed of 180km/h, in our Focus stationwagon.
    I am trying to imagine the look on an Australian police officer’s face if they pulled me over for doing 180km/h in a Focus. I’d be on front page of the newspaper the next day “Idiot Hoon does 80km/h more than the speed limit”.

    What about in the ABT R8? 320km/h? Can you imagine the headline? I’d be a national celebrity overnight. “Madman goes 320km/h, sentenced to five years in jail”.
    Anthony came up with a good analogy, it feels like we’ve been let out of jail for a month.
    Whilst I was driving the ABT tuned AS5R at a cruisy 200km/h I saw a cop in the right lane (slow lane). My instant reaction was “Oh god, ticket!”. I hit the brakes, pulled in behind him and followed at about 130km/h.

    Thirty seconds later an M3 went past us at about 190km/h. The cop didn’t even look. 20 more seconds went by and and an M6 came screaming past at around 250km/h. Cop stayed still. Then I realised, oh, yes, I forgot, this is legal.
    Can you believe going 250km/h past a police car on a public road can be legal? Can you imagine what an Australian police highway patrol car would do to you if you did this on an Australian highway?

    It almost makes you depressed thinking about the difference in car culture. The last time I got pulled over for speeding (18km/h over) in Brisbane, the kind Cop gave me a grilling as if I was responsible for every death on the road.
    Can we please bring every single person that has anything to do with setting up speed limits and transport guidelines to Germany? Just for one week?

    At this point some of you are thinking, sure it may work in Germany but the autobahns are far better highways than what we have in Australia. Not entirely true.
    The M1 Pacific Highway, from Brisbane to Gold Coast, for example, is actually larger than any autobahn I’ve encountered to date. Our lanes are wider and our main roads are just as smooth. So why can’t we go past 110km/h?
    Is it the cars? Perhaps, but there are just as many old cars here as there are in Australia, guess what? They stay in the slow lanes, they go 110km/h, the fast cars go 250km/h+ past them, no one complains. The slow go slow, the fast go fast, everyone is happy. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

    We were filming the Brabham BT92 today at the Nurburgring and just witnessing the difference in attitude to speed and cars was amazing.
    At one moment whilst we were filming the ‘ring, a few German’s started playing AC/DC (Thunderstruck) and it reminded us of Bathurst, but a Ferrari F430 followed by a Porsche GT3 RS and an EVO X went past quickly, oh yes, not Bathurst

    As if the cars aren’t enough, I witnessed with my own eyes, gorgeous beautiful women standing around admiring the cars. I don’t need to die to go to heaven, I found it at the Nurburgring.
    No one is doing the ‘pinky’ in Germany. The people here love cars because they love cars, no one does random burnouts in the street, when the autobahn does have a speed limit (road works for example), EVERYONE obeys

    What’s so different in our two cultures that all of this seems so strange? Why is going 320km/h a jail worthy crime in Australia and perfectly legal in Germany?

    Why do people get so frightened when we go 20km/h over the speed limit in Australia?
    “Slow down stupid”?. No, I don’t think so. “Learn to drive, Stupid”.
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  2. sigh, more tilting at windmills......
  3. ^^^^

  4. #4 SevenSins, May 29, 2013
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    @smee I like your new avatar :D

    Sooo the PUB is where thread belongs..lol I actually forgot about The Pub..


    @hornet .. how is it an example of tilting at windmills?

    tilt at windmills (literary)
    to waste time trying to deal with enemies or problems that do not exist

    The issue DOES exist, and it is a PROBLEM.

    *It is very frustrating and bad for my mental health and well being to have to sit on an abritrary speed limit when travelling from home to Sydney or anywhere else I choose to go..
  5. Their car culture is so, so different to ours.

    Their training especially is top notch and their attitudes towards driving far above the average road user.

    I remember a few years back I had to show this 18 year old German girl around Melbourne. One of the first things she said was australian drivers 'lack throttle control.'

    Right. That from an 18 year old German lass with no real interest in cars at all.
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  6. Maybe she wasn't talking about cars...;)
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  7. Is Australia the only first world country in the world with tall poppy syndrome deeply ingrained in the culture?
  8. what is their point? Nurburgring is a racetrack. Why are they suprised people there are interested in cars?
    More idealisation of the Autobahn without understanding the realitys. It is not a free-for-all by way of speed. one does not just hop on and floor it. Typical foreigners...
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  9. The problem isn't so much tall popery syndrome, it's the combination of it with all the wowsers and freaks that makes Australia the way it is.
  10. How much does it cost to get a driver's licence in Germany?

    How much does it cost to get a licence here in Oz?
  11. Tall poppy syndrome isn't part of our culture, a lack of tolerance for the pretentious is.
  12. #12 CraigA, May 29, 2013
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    You say that like you think the cost is a negative CrazyCam!

    I think that's one of the reasons Germans take their driving so seriously. People pay a lot, have to go through a lot in terms of training and gaining a skill set, hold it dearly and appreciate it. The result, a better pool of drivers with a much better skill set. They also look after their vehicles better then the average Aussie.

    Here they hand licences out like flyers at a poling booth so we have a low skill set and its relatively cheap so everyone can afford it even if they cant afford the upkeep of a car. As a result its a case of easy come easy go, couldn't give a rats, no pride in the task of controlling a vehicle or keeping it roadworthy.

    I would love to see the Australian road network and licencing system mimic the German one. It would weed out some of the potentially dangerous drivers and the higher speed limits on better roads makes perfect sense in such a big country.

    It will never happen though. The current system works much better as an income stream for our over populated government!
  13. #13 Victriple, May 29, 2013
    Last edited: May 29, 2013
    IIRC it's technically a public toll road.....


    Just typed up an reply which was lost due to no edit reason.

    Long story short, German car culture shits on ours, autobahns and public access "race tracks" would be a complete and utter disaster in Australia.
  14. Yep. Many Australians can't drive down a highway at 100kph without banging into stuff.
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  15. Surely that stems from "Hey, they're having fun & I'm not"?

    Is it pretentious to take pride in your driving/riding & get out of other peoples way if they are going faster then you?

    That's what I took away from the article, that people in Germany are courteous of other drivers. Something I don't think is pretentious at all.
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  16. Do you ever wonder why that's is?? Because they are board shitless and decide to play games like... I wonder how many seconds I can close my eyes for. How far can I recline the chair with the electric button down the side.. I wonder if my ipdad will fit in between the steering wheel and gauges to watch a movie. Driving a car on the Hume at 110km/h is mindless crap. That's why people crash into things
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  17. Maybe we need to have 110 minimum speed limit :)
  18. Maybe we just need to focus more on driver education... In the USA cops target drivers who drive crazily on the freeway not speeding... I think we need the same here more focus on bad drivers..

    The Hume hwy could be 140km/h limit and I doubt it would be any more dangerous. But speed is sold to us as the golden answer to stop people dying in the roads...

    I just don't get it?
  19. You're not wrong.... Even worse when it rains.
  20. No way, Craig.

    I, like you, think that the high cost of getting a licence in the likes of Germany means that folk actually value that licence more, and I agree 100% with the rest of your comment.
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