After going through a few threads on lifting the rear where off the ground without a proper stand / jack, I finally worked out what one of the methods was on about and tried it out for myself. Being the visual person I am, it did take a bit to work out what to do. So for cleaning my bike today I got the rear wheel up to do the chain and sprocket part using the method of increase the height of the surface that the stand goes on to make the bike close to straight up and then using a car jack under the swing arm on the other side to push the bike back to the stand and lifting it and god damn it's much better then scrub, push, repeat. I did it on the grass because I figured if I bugger it up and the bike drops (it didn't) then grass will be much move forgiving. Here are some pics of what I did in case people wanna see them. The polystryrene on the top of the jack was to stop scratching on the swing arm and fill the gap at the top of the jack - worked good.