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From MAG UK, M/Cycle Action Group.

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' started by Jaqhama, Jul 17, 2006.

  1. I thought this was interesting enough to re-print here for Aussie riders to read.

    How Close is Too Close?

    Issued 9th March, 2006

    The Motorcycle Action Group (MAG UK) in collaboration with motorcycle trainer, Duncan MacKillop, has investigated the cause of accidents involving cars and motorcycles at T junctions: the ‘Sorry Mate I Didn’t See You’ accidents or SMIDSYs.

    The result of this collaboration is the MAG document ‘How Close is Too Close?’ that provides solutions for avoidance and evasion strategies for motorcyclists. The study makes recommendations that include better road awareness training for car drivers and motorcyclists to reduce the number of deaths to riders caused by cars.

    The cold hard ‘facts’ for motorcyclists highlighted in the Department for Transport Road (DfT) Casualty Report 2005 is that collisions at junctions are a major problem for riders. In 2004, 175,150 car accidents occurred at junctions with 22% of these when the car was turning right. In the same year, motorcycle accidents at junctions totalled 17,699. These represent 66% of all motorcycle accidents.

    In January 2006, the DfT Think Campaign, supported by MAG, advising car drivers to take longer to look for bikes at these types of junctions was launched on television and radio.

    However, the Driving Standard Agency (DSA) practical test for hazard awareness does not specifically require that drivers look for motorcycles at junctions, in spite of the significant proportion of accidents that have been recorded in these circumstances.

    If the DSA fails to instruct trainers to teach new car drivers to look specifically for motorcyclists, then why should the government expect to lower the casualty rates for motorcyclists?

    MAG Director Of Public Affairs comments, “We know that motorcycle trainers are teaching avoidance strategies for real world riding but the preferred option by this government is to fall into a “Euro Trap” through acceptance of draconian European Driving Licence Directives. These do not address car driving testing standards nor solve the problem of deaths and serious injuries to riders on British roads.”

    MAG UK argues that until this problem is recognised and addressed by government as a necessary part of driver and rider training, the resolution of the SMIDSY problem will lie with the motorcyclist. The MAG document ‘How Close is Too Close?’ outlines how this can be done.

    Notes to editors:

    1. “How Close is Too Close” Download Here pdf 190kb

    2. South Gloucestershire's "SMIDSY" campaign www.smidsy.co.uk

    3. "SMIDSY" from Safe Speed www.smidsy.co.uk

    4. Department for Transport (DFT) THINK! Take Longer to Look for Bikes www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk

    5. “Think Once Think Twice Think Bike” TV AD from 1975 Here

    Issued by

    Trevor Baird
    Director Of Public Affairs

    The UK's Leading Riders' Rights Organisation


    Use may be freely made without prior permission on condition that any material used is credited to 'MAG UK'. If used on a web page an appropriate link to www.mag-uk.org should be given.

    More information or comments contact MAG Public Relations or Public Affairs
  2. this is common mentality of those who hold the responsibility. "Well so long as i'm not the one who gets hurt it doesn't matter. hop in your 4x4's kids"

    drivers dont wont to pay attention. it's too much trouble for them. i've had aguments with drivers [males over 50] over this and [despite my condition] they insist it's ok to drive around half arsed.

    the government says so with their contempt for fatalities.
  3. I doubt most of them do. Its the same thing as always. A proportion of drivers are useless cretins, a bigger proportion are not carefull enough. But its still a small proportion. Its just that they are the ones we notice (and remember if we get the chance ;( )

    I think myself that the same people who dont notice motorcycles at intersections are the same ones who don't notice fire engines, or trains at level crossings. Or for that matter cycists which is why any objection over look for cyclist type adds are so much rubbish. Anyone who can be educated to see a bicycle (assuming education is possible) wont then miss seeing a motorcycle.

    I have had a conversation with a woman who hit a fire engine. lighs on and siren going. She never even saw it. This is not a woman who is going to see a motorcycle. Ever. Can whe be educated? Maybe but it will involve a stockwhip or maybe backing over her own kids in the driveway or something.

    But its important to remember they aint all out to get us. I mean ride like they are sure. But its only a percentage of em . Cannot lose all faith in the human race. Well I hope not.

  4. oh for sure percrime [and by that i mean i agree with you]

    changing the subject slightly, i think that those who are on a motorcycle pay more attention than those in a cage. as far as i know motos dont drink and ride, they are on another level of safety.

    i would like to see judges giving those who are disqualified from driving the option to ride a scooter or motorcycle for the duration.

    they will learn the level of responsibility required for driving, understand that driving around like an idot is daunting to others, and pick up the necessary skills before returning to the cage.
  5. I found the interesting stat was the 22% turning right being the cause. It continually amazes me the number of drivers who approach an intersection at speed whilst looking to their left, at the same time encroaching on or even crossing the intersection line without any regard to what is coming on their right. I don't understand this. If something is approaching you from your right then it don't matter a frogs fat arse what's on your left - you ain't going to get through the intersection. So why look to your left first!?!!

    <end rant mode>
  6. Although there are some people who will never be reached by an education campaign, I would love to see an ongoing anti-SMIDSY campaign here.

    Dream on... :roll:
  7. Simple really, remember when you were a kid and told how to cross the road, didn't the little ditty go look to the left look to the right look to the left again, then if it is safe to cross away you go. well this is what I seem to remember.
    This I think could be part of the problem. I now look to the right first then left then right again even if I am on the bike.
  8. Only if you didn't live somewhere civilised that drove on the left... :LOL:

    Or you've picked it up the wrong way round from watching too many US TV Shows... :p

    We were taught look right-left-right with the same little ditty... :LOL:
  9. I alway:
    Look right, look left, look right and look left again.