Hi everyone, Apologies if this question has been asked 100 times before... I've just gotten my learner's permit and now it's time to get a bike. I'm a complete newbie - never been on a bike before doing the permit course - and not at all mechanically-minded. I originally thought about getting an old bike, possibly only getting 3rd party insurance, and trying to keep costs as low as possible until I'm a bit more experienced (and on an unrestricted licence). But the prospect of trying to sort the junk from the decent second-hand bikes is very daunting. Add to this the spiel I got from my instructor about how buying a new bike is so much better because you know it's in safe working order, and it's covered by a warranty. So now I'm confused. What do you guys think? New or second-hand? At the riding school I had a bit of a go on a brand new Yamaha Scorpio Z, which seemed pretty comfy and zippy and nice to ride (retails about $4500 I think). Has anyone tried one of these? What do you think? I also tried a new Arqin RT200, because I'm giving some thought to getting something that can go off-road (my little brother is getting into dirt-bike riding, but who knows how long that will last). The Arqin wasn't as comfy as the Scorpio, but is cheap as hell (about $3K new) and has a good warranty. Any comments? So basically I'm looking for a bike that I can use to commute to work every now and then (work in the Melbourne CBD), ride for fun on my days off, and possibly use to mess around on a dirt track with my brother. I'm looking for something cheap to insure. It needs to be cool enough that my brother doesn't disown me, but otherwise I don't care about "sportiness". So in summary my questions are: am I better off getting a new or second hand bike? Any suggestions? What do people think of the Scorpio and the RT200? Thanks for your help!!