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VIC Dropping speed limit on rural roads, new government safety strategy

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' started by cjvfr, May 15, 2016.

  1. Here we go again, Vic gov is in surplus but still won't spend money on rural roads. Go slow is the mantra.

    Speeds on "narrow, lower-quality, high-speed" country roads would be reduced from 100km/h under a new safety strategy released by Premier Daniel Andrews on Sunday.

    It comes following the escalation of deaths on Victorian roads – 252 died last year. It is nine more than died during 2013, when 243 perished – the lowest recorded annual death numbers on Victorian roads.

    Read more: Dropping speed limit on rural roads part of government's new safety strategy
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  2. Spend money on roads?

    Was on the Trafalgar to Thorpdale Rd today. There is one corner with no bitumen and just gravel for about 4m. Would be really nasty if you hit it at speed expecting bitumen grip for your tyres.

    It has only been like that for about 4 years, Think we warned about it as a caution in the route instructions for the 2013 Icicle Ride.
  3. WRB's? ok if it stops cars crossing to head-on bikes but...
    Billion-dollar funding injection aims to reduce Victorian road toll

    The Victorian Government has unveiled a $1 billion package of road improvements, driver training programs and research aimed at reducing the state's road toll.

    Roads Minister Luke Donnellan said deaths on country roads account for half the road toll every year, so $340 million will be spent on installing barriers along black spots.
    "Whether it be on the Calder, the Hume, Geelong-Bacchus Marsh and the Goulburn, [we are] putting wire rope barriers down the centre to actually cushion people when they make mistakes," he said.
    "About 75 to 80 per cent of our deaths on our high-speed rural roads relate to cars crossing over from one side of the road to the other.
    "So the centre-line barriers stop that and we expect to have an enormous effect on saving lives on our roads."

    Mr Donnellan said the finding was an "aggressive push" to improve road safety.
    "It needs to be aggressive because we've plateaued in terms of the number of people who lose their lives on our roads each year, it's now starting to increase again," he said.
    "It's about safer roads, safer drivers, safer speeds and safer cars."
  4. tried contacting the local council of that area (if they own that bit of road) ?
    with enough complaints, they may do something..

    they probably don't even know it is a problem...
  5. that's a typical way for a government to respond - rather than address and fix the problem they just introduce some bs legislation as a way of imposing penalties and fines - way to go d*heads!
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  6. I suspect they know. There is a "Slow down Hazard ahead" sign for the last four years
  7. The economics behind the push for WRSB has knobs on, and the dubious cartoon images of the car neatly being returned to the lane without connecting with an oncoming car is farcical.

    Whilst WRSB is a cheaper installation it has a significantly increased maintenance cost cf Armco or concrete barriers, both of which would capture errant vehicles and either of which would be less injurious to motorcyclists. Over a lifetime of 20 years the maintenance cost of concrete barriers would be so low as to completely offset the larger installation cost compared to WRSB.

    WRSB are designed to give on contact with a vehicle, and will intrude into the other lane; the intrusion distance would depend on a number of factors such as vehicle size, speed, contact angle and (of course) the serviceability of the WRSB. How many damaged WRSBs do you see daily, and how long before they get repaired? Yet concrete will usually be undamaged and provide consistent retardation of vehicles regardless of size.

    The cost of injuries to riders should be factored into these costs, as well. A rub injury from a concrete barrier is infinitely less costly than the fractures, muscle damage and open wounds received by a WRSB. NSW seem to be quite comfortable with mid-lane concrete barriers, all of Vic freeway and tollway barriers are concrete, why the obsession with WRSB to the detriment of motorcyclists safety?
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  8. there's more to it than just speed limits and WRB's
    Vic upgrades fatal road accident hot spots

    Reducing Victoria's road toll won't be easy but police and the government are confident $340 million worth of upgrades to some of the state's accident hot spots will help save lives.
    Flexible roadside and centre-line barriers, rumble strips, and reflective guide posts will be installed on more than 2500km of rural roads across Ballarat and western Victoria.
    Wider centre lines will also be installed on some rural roads to better separate oncoming traffic
    as part of the state government's plan to reduce the road toll by 2020.

    "All of this is about saving lives. We want that road toll to be under 200 by 2020," Premier Daniel Andrews told reporters on Sunday.
    "It won't be easy to get there, but we are determined - in partnership with Victoria Police and our agencies and the driving public - to save those lives and spare so many families from the pain and suffering that is synonymous with road trauma."

    The 20 high-risk roads that will be upgraded include the Hume Freeway/Highway between Thomastown and Wodonga, the Calder Freeway between Bendigo and Keilor Park, and the Geelong-Bacchus Marsh Road.
    In the past five years, 42 people have died on these three roads alone, while another 358 have been seriously injured, the government says.
    It's predicted the installation of flexible barriers along 330km of high-risk, high-volume roads with speed limits of 100km/h will reduce head-on and off-road crashes by up to 85 per cent.

    Roads Minister Luke Donnellan says the upgrades, which are part of the government's Towards Zero action plan, are driven by statistics which show where fatal accidents are taking place.
    "We're putting the money where it is actually required," he said.
    Additional protection will also be installed on popular motorcycle routes to make them safer for riders.
  9. Happy days to come, folks

    The back roads we enjoy will be slower (so we have more time to enjoy the scenery), and feature more speed traps to protect us from ourselves

    I feel so lucky, to live in Vic
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  10. In the midst of all this safety industry-inspired BS rhetoric there is one small nugget of comfort. The TAC's totalitarian goal of zero casualty has been binned in favour of an 'achievable' figure of 200.
    Zero could only ever be achieved with zero journeys, and they were dead serious about that.
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  11. the only reason there are so many fatalities on the Bacchus Marsh road is that people get so frustrated being stuck behind slow drivers that they make stupid overtaking manoeuvres. So now they want to make everyone go even slower?

    when the fcuk are they going to wake up and talk about the shi t driving that causes accidents?

    c'mon Ricky - get you arse in gear and get behind some real road safety initiatives
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  12. some context

    in 2013
    • 20,000 people in Australia died from coronary heart disease
    • 11,000 people died from dementia or Alzheimer's related causes
    • over 8,000 people died from lung cancer
    • over 2,500 people committed suicide
    and yet they focus on roads where less than 10 people per year are killed?
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  13. how do you make everyone go faster? :p

    and what is the healthcare budget_?
    In 2013–14, $58.8 billion was spent on hospitals in Australia, $54.7 billion on primary health care and $32.0 billion on other health goods and services. A further $9.1 billion was spent on capital expenditure.

    may be forgetting that vehicle accident outcomes are not binary?
    ie, you are not either fine and unhurt, or dead.... long continuum in between
  14. Thanks to the insidious engineering by the major parties, Ricky will be out of a job soon, sadly.
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  15. Its the same in NSW, saw on the news tonight a car hit a tree with fatalities, the locals want according to the news the limit dropped from 100 to 80. Its a straight well surfaced road. The family said this trip started at 11pm with a very tide driver who had worked all day and into the night who apparenty fell asleap 2 hrs later behind the wheel with 4 or 5 others in tge car.How does a lower limit fix this. There obsessed with speed and used loads of BS to justify doing cheap and brain dead fixes.
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  16. With a tight Federal election coming up Andrew's announces this! Think its called snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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  17. This has already been happening for a while now - and not on narrow roads, but on bigger roads. I have traveled on a number of roads where there are sections that have gone to a recommended speed of 80kph and then some time after that changed to a mandatory speed of 80kph due to the quality of the surface of the road and no repair works over years...

    I think this move has more to do with road diets and finance than it has to do with road safety. Same as speed and red light camera's that go onto intersections with the highest revenue - not the highest level of accidents, but in this case it'll be targeted at roads that are going to cost to repair. Probably also in Liberal safe seats as well...

    Safety is just once again used as a smoke screen for the real reasons...
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  18. Don't know how dropping the limit on country roads will change anything. Most of the farmers only drive at fs%kin' 60 anyhow, and even then they can't be bothered looking before they pull out.
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  19. a guy from one of the official Gippsland road safety committees just said exactly that on talkback. They aren't in favour of this policy because it means Vicroads gets out of contributing to maintaining the local roads.
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  20. Wish the cops would start writing TINS for right lane hogs. Watched a cop follow a jackass on the Eastern for at least 5km in the right hand lane at 90-95 before the idiot eventually woke up and pulled across. Cop just went past. Why not book the prick, this is the sort of oblivious driving that causes real issue.

    Bet you if they were following a bike doing 103 they would've pulled the rider over for some offense or another.
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