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VIC Drivers warned as new speed cameras roll out across Victoria

Discussion in 'Politics, Laws, Government & Insurance' at netrider.net.au started by cjvfr, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Cameras will focus on safety black spots and initiative is not aimed at boosting its coffers, government says.

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    A crackdown on speeding and running of red lights has been flagged with 17 new traffic cameras to roll out across Melbourne and regional Victoria.

    The state government has denied the move is a revenue gouge, arguing the cameras are targeting known safety black spots.

    Twelve film red-light cameras will be replaced with new digital devices that also record motorists' speed, in line with the Road Safety Camera Commissioner's recommendation that the analog system be phased out.

    The new speed and red-light cameras will also be installed at five additional Melbourne intersections as part of a $5.3 million safety blitz.

    Read more: Drivers warned as new speed cameras roll out across Victoria
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  2. "Cameras will focus on safety black spots and initiative is not aimed at boosting its coffers, government says."

    I say BULLSHIT to that one.....lying, thievin pack of ****s
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  3. #3 Heli, Jan 9, 2016
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    The more we hear the "speed kills/speed is the number one cause of accidents" mantra then the more I am reminded of Perception Management as a modern day equivalent of Dr Goebels adage:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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  5. Stats are often dodgy due to the regression to the mean effect. You get a large number of crashes due to random variation. Camera installed and lo and behold its back to normal. But its just due to the random variability.
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  6. Seems to me that the biggest lies are told by those who continue to speed then try to blame the penalty on the cops or "State". Speed limits are set due to the risk factor of an area by people with more brains than a speeding rider or driver. If you don't want to support the state budget don't speed. Stop worrying about speed cameras.
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  7. you might find its bureaucrats working through a check list that set the speed limits
  8. How do you figure the variation is extreme when measured prior to fitting red light cameras?
  9. And that response, Your Honour, totally substantiates my earlier comment about Perception Management.
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  10. that's the point. you don't know whether a high crash count has a cause or is just random variation. if its random variation it will drop whether you do anything or not. but if you've installed a camera you might think the camera has been responsible.

    Regression toward the mean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  11. I didn't ask for crash count. Red light camera's don't capture crashes only.
    I asked for running red lights count prior to red light camera installation, and if stats after validated that installation of the camera dropped the rate of running red lights.
  12. Was their mouth moving? Then they were lying...
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  13. I heard on an ABC radio news show, not that long ago and in QLD that the auditor general recommended lowering of the speed tolerance and a review speed zones. An auditor general does what sorry? Glorified bean counter I thought. Never heard more about it, nor can I point you to link etc.
    So now I sleep better at night knowing that even the bean counters care about my safety :wtf:

    For those like me who didn't quite know what they do:- Home
    I'm sure its the same all states ( including having a say in road fines)
  14. 1. Behind a car that decides to turn right from the centre of three lanes. Blocks the interesection. I get stuck in the intersection across the pedestrian lines. Red light camera goes off as I move around the newly arrived Australian to get through the intersection. Red light fine upheld. Clearly not my fault, couldn't afford to go to court to fight it.

    2. St Kilda red light camera. Light was AMBER as I rode across the thick white line of the intersection and turned red as I completed my ride through the intersection. Red light camera fine.
    Went and measured the time that the amber light was showing. Did not meet the required time. Went to court. Waited 8 hours to have my case heard. Presented evidence to magistrate. He laughed and said something along the lines of "all motorcyclists are always speeding and doing the wrong thing". Totally ignored what I was saying, the circumstances etc. Absolute shithead of a person. Hope he gets cancer of the balls.

    moral of the story: the tolerence level is so low now and the system is designed so that you are guilty from the start, with nothing but red tape in your way if you try and prove your innocence. It is an undemocratic and unfair system.

    To say 'just don't do the wrong thing' doesn't address the problem, it's just bleating with the rest of the sheep.
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  15. In Victoria, an Auditor General does what he's told to do, if he knows what's good for him.
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  16. Everyone is innocent of all breaches. There are so many stories where the truth is stretched to prove their point. The courts have heard it all before so no wonder they view everything with skepticism.
  17. "Twelve film red-light cameras will be replaced with new digital devices that also record motorists' speed, in line with the Road Safety Camera Commissioner's recommendation that the analog system be phased out."

    Why? Are they not working or costing more than the expensive new digital systems? Or do they not generate as much profit due to them having to work with higher tolerances due to not being as accurate, according to documentation we are not allowed to see?

    The Camera Commissioner's site states:

    "The Commissioner has committed to the four following values to guide and inform his work:

    • Integrity – To carry out his functions with honesty, accuracy and consistency
    • Transparency – To provide credible expert advice about road safety operations to Parliament and the community
    • Accountability – To monitor and review the accuracy, integrity and efficiency of the Victorian road safety camera system.
    • Independence – To act impartially and objectively in the fulfilment of his functions under the Act."
    Well, let's have at it then, why is he not demanding that the private companies supplying these systems make freely available the technical details of their operations regardless of commercial in confidence contracts. Why is he not demanding that all government contracts with private suppliers of these systems be made public so that there is a transparency in who is making the money on what? When the Act that brought his office into being was created there was much fanfare about ensuring that the system was "fair" for the people and to counter the claims of revenue raising. It has become quite clear that his purpose was to protect the system from legal redress and to close all the legal loopholes people were finding to get out of paying Camera infringement notices. This "fairness" has become ensuring that no one can escape from the system. Even the current Chief Police Commissioner, not to mention the previous one, have been caught out.

    His site also lists who he deems to take advice from. There is no representation from Motorcyclists here.

    His continued call for frontal identification for motorcycles has put him at odds with the most credible advocacy in the Victorian Motorcycle Council to the point of public accusations of blackmail on radio by the Camera Commissioner. Claims that were subsequently dropped.

    "The Road Safety Camera Commissioner is empowered under the Act to establish a group of advisors to be known as the Reference Group. The Reference group consists of the Commissioner plus between three and seven other members, appointed by the Minister for Police and Emergency Services on the recommendation of the Commissioner.

    The members of the Reference Group will provide information and advice to the Commissioner from their unique backgrounds and areas of expertise to assist the Commissioner in the performance of his functions under the Act. The Reference Group is made up of experts in the fields of road safety research, road safety engineering, road safety technology and public relations. The Commissioner is the Chairman of the Reference Group and will provide the terms of reference.

    The functions of the Reference Group include:

    • advising the Commissioner about various aspects of the road safety camera system
    • providing advice and recommendations to the Commissioner in relation to any matter requested by the Commissioner.

    Members of the Reference Group may not act as expert witnesses or comment publicly on any matters currently under consideration by the Reference Group.

    The members of the Reference Group are:

    Professor Tom Drummond, Department of Electrical and Computer Systems Engineering, Monash University

    Tom Drummond is a professor of Electrical and Computer Systems Engineering at Monash University. His research specialisation is in real-time processing of sensor information, in particular computer vision with application to robotics, augmented reality and assistive devices for the visually impaired. He has a BA in mathematics and an MA from the University of Cambridge, UK and a PhD in computer science from Curtin University, WA.

    David Jones, Manager, Roads and Traffic, RACV

    Mr Jones leads RACV’s advocacy on roads and traffic issues, and represents RACV’s members on government and industry advisory committees. His background is in managing transport research and in transport planning and traffic engineering.

    Jane Fenton AM, Founder of Fenton Communications

    Jane Fenton is a non-executive director and expert in communications. She is the Chair of the Queen Victoria Women’s Centre Trust, a director of the Queen Victoria Market Pty Ltd and of the Cancer Council Australia Pty Ltd. She is a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors and the Public Relations Institute of Australia, a Life Governor of Very Special Kids and a consultant to the business she founded in 1987, Fenton Communications."
    Mark Kelly, General Manager, Operations, Murcotts Driving Excellence

    Murcotts is Australia’s largest driver training organisation and it specialises in safe driving programs and fleet risk management services. Mark’s role includes managing nationally accredited driver education and training programs and heading up Murcotts’ Forensic Program. Mark is also President of the Victorian Association of Drink & Drug Driver Services, the peak body in Victoria representing 43 accredited agencies.
    Professor Carolyn Unsworth, Professor of Occupational Therapy, Central Queensland University, Melbourne
    Carolyn Unsworth is Professor of Occupational Therapy at Central Queensland University and holds Adjunct Professor appointments at La Trobe University, Melbourne, Jönköping University, Sweden, and Curtin University in Perth, Australia. Carolyn’s expertise is the occupation of community transport mobility among older adults and people who have disabilities. Her research and publications are on the assessment and rehabilitation of older and/or functionally impaired drivers, and scooter and powered wheelchair mobility use and access on public transport. Carolyn is a also a registered Occupational Therapy Driver Assessor.
    Pauline Kostiuk, Lecturer, Holmesglen TAFE
    Pauline Kostiuk is a lecturer in leadership, management and criminal law at Holmesglen TAFE. Pauline served 35 years with Victoria Police in areas including traffic, investigations, training and prosecutions. She spent 19 years in senior management positions representing Victoria Police in international and national forums."
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  18. He's probably past the age where that's likely, but if you quoted the magistrate accurately then you had grounds to insist he disqualify himself from deciding your case on the grounds of prejudice. Write to the attorney general and put the wind up this jerk.
  19. Are all court cases transcribed, or only serious ones? If all are, you should be able to get a transcription from your case and really stir some stuff up.
  20. The prime reasons for phasing out analogue film systems are to ensure compliance with targets for sending out notices in a timely manner, no lengthy/costly wet flim processing, and of course reduced staffing costs associated with all the processing. In many/most cases the same detection technology is employed with digital camera technology, so it is nothing to do with accuracy of the devices. Extensive testing is done to ensure that suppliers are providing equipment that is and can be re-certified accurate within the tolerances of the tender specs and/or applicable legislation and Standards.
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